(September 28, 2015 at 10:30 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote:(September 28, 2015 at 8:16 am)Rekeisha Wrote: I guess you are failing at finding good argumentation against the truth as well.
If you use science but your starting point is wrong your outcome will always be wrong. Also did you think about fact checking the website, or did you just bring your presuppositions to the website and rule it out because it didn't fit your category of what you feel is non-bias?
You act like science is this magical thing and every time you come to a conclusion using Science it must be right. Talk about drinking the kool-aid. "Science says... so it must be right" "it's scientific!" "Science proves _____ so that is how the world works". People are the one behind using the tool of science to figure things out. If people are flawed then their conclusions can be flawed. If people have the presupposition that God doesn't exist it is not a surprise that their conclusions will lead them to that conclusion. To use science you must rely on knowledge, logic, uniformity and you can not account for those things without God. Science can't disprove faith or God or anything God has set up. You can misuse the tool and blindly try to etch out your own understanding of things but you will be wrong.
The truth is God is in control of everything. He see and know everything as well as the real reason why you don't want to follow Him. If you truly used critical thinking you would have to end up at the conclusion that God is real. What is amazing to me is that He cares for you even when you do everything in your power to stick your head in the sand and pretend He isn't there. You treat Him like He is your enemy even though He seek your best. He is the most precious being in all creation. Nothing is worth more than He is and He willingly gives Himself to you. He did this on the cross for your sins and If you accept His sacrifice He will also Give yo the Holy Spirit as a down payment. He want to give you amazing things but I find that you just want to play around in the dirt. You can have so much more but you settle for only what you can do. You stunt your thinking by hiding behind "human knowledge and wisdom".
I hope you have something intelligent to say in response to my post.
Your level of idiocy is honestly getting kind of tiring.
As I already explained, the point of quoting you and changing your argument was to show you that it's the exact same argument with the exact same level of truth, regardless of which deity you're talking about. The fact that you're still too dumb to realize this, even though I expressly explained it to you, is worrying, to say the least.
Science is not a magical explanation that fills in every gap. That's what your stupid little Gaud is for. Science gathers evidence and posits reasonable explanations for that evidence. Science is trustworthy because it recognizes, accepts, and seeks to gain understanding about what it doesn't know instead of settling on an easy answer that makes a good story for scaring children in the night.
There is no evidence that your Gaud is the source of knowledge or logic. There is no evidence that your Gaud is the source of anything. There is ample evidence to suggest that your Gaud is a fictional character, and the fictional claims regarding him are such that if he did exist, he would be an immoral monster unworthy of worship.
The problem with your whole premise is that I didn't start out with the premise that the Christian Gaud doesn't exist. I started out with the opposite premise. I believed Gaud does exist. Even though I had that presupposition, the evidence against it was such that I could no longer honestly or objectively hold that presupposition and call myself a rational person. I saw the evidence, realized how it added up, and changed my mind. It was exactly like when I stopped believing in Santa Claus, only a little more embarrassing because I'm 28 years old.
You, in all likelihood, are much, much, MUCH older than I am, and yet you still toil under the ignorant delusion of Gaud. You have even less time to enjoy True Reality than I do, and yet you squander it on a religious existence for which there is no reward. Why do you not let us help you? Denounce your Gaud, and accept Reality, so you can be saved from your ignorance and delusion. You've clearly been indoctrinated deeply and forcefully for a long, long time, but I believe in you, and refuse to give up on you. No matter how stubborn and ignorant you are, I won't stop telling you the truth. It's not too late to accept Reality and begin that relationship today.
If you are in possession of the truth then why would you need to insult me? You should be able to bring you evidence and stand by it without fear or the need to be defensive.
So what are the preconditions that allow for knowledge, logic, reason and uniformity?
What makes you think I have not been challenged or allowed myself to challenge my own beliefs? What make you think that the way I live in submission to God is the same as your experience with Christianity? Why do you assume that I put my faith in the same place you put yours? You assume I never had a problem with anything I have read in the Bible. The reason why I still believe is because I know God. Since I know Him I allow Him to explain what I am reading.
Have you challenged your view on wither morals are relative? Have you challenged your views on abortion? Have your challenged your views on evolution? Did you fact check the page that you presented to me about failed prophecies? Have you challenged your view on the creation of the universe? Have the challenged your views on how nonliving matter became living matter? Have you challenged your views on wither people can even be unbiased?
You were not a Christian if
You did not receive the revelation from God that He is God
You never gave your life to Him in order to enjoy Him and glorify Him.
You never knew God or wanted to be like Him and became like Him.
You never had power over you sin nature and you didn't enjoy your sin because of your love for God.
You left the faith and turned your back on God
You make a lot of knowledge claims but what is your evidence that I am much much MUCH older than you? You make bold statements that have no bases in reality I am only 32. No I have not drunk the Kool-aid of our generation.
