RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
September 29, 2015 at 3:32 pm
(This post was last modified: September 29, 2015 at 3:34 pm by TheRocketSurgeon.)
(September 29, 2015 at 3:14 pm)Rekeisha Wrote:(September 28, 2015 at 12:07 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote:
Insults, Cults, and a miss understanding of the Bible, Christianity, and history. Is this your defense?
Where is Jesus' body if He is dead? What happened to it and how do you know this?
If Jesus didn't died then how did he survive crucifixion?
Why do you assume that I don't look? What teachers do you think I have? What is your evidence that I have teachers that tell me not to look?
Was this the Christianity your grew up in?
Do you actually believe what you wrote? (this is not trying to be an insult but an honest question.)
No, it's not my "defense". It's my offense. Because you're the one coming here with insane propositions about magical beings/events, and spouting cult mantras. And I do understand history and the Bible. I'm just not stating it in a way you're accustomed to hearing, and you don't like my answers.
Likely Jesus was buried in a mass grave like the traitorous criminal that he was, according to the Romans (that's one of two ways they disposed of crucifixion victims, the other being a roadside stake "to set an example", as with the killing of Spartacus and his followers, according to that story). I don't know what happened to the body; that's the point, no one does. The stories that cropped up later aren't evidence of anything but storytelling.
I don't know where you get "Jesus didn't died" [sic] from what I wrote, because I'm saying that he DID die, and his apostles came up with a bullshit story about it to say he's not really dead, and will be back "soon".
I say you do not look because you have been trained by the culture of your church, subtly and over years, to reject anything that does not fit the presupposed idea. I have explained the ways, above, in which what you are saying matches that of what cultists say. You yourself have made comments about rejecting evidence that doesn't fit the Bible, which makes you what I call a "Bible Idolator", unwilling to even seriously consider that it's just a book written by people who didn't have the knowledge we have today, and might be completely mistaken. My evidence that you have teachers that tell you not to look and what to say is that you are saying every thing I used to say when I was like you, 22 years ago, and those teachers taught me to ignore "Man's Knowledge" and reject "the World", and to "lean not on my own understanding". You sound just like my entire social circle, back then, including myself.
Yes, I believe every word I wrote. I pride myself on intellectual honesty and integrity. I think a religion is just a cult with more members, and we have just spent so long with religious domination of our culture that it's hard for people to realize that the things they are saying sound insane from a rational perspective. That's why I tried showing you what it looked like when I plugged "Ahura Mazda" and "Mithras" (Zoroastrian/Persian god and son of god) into the your statement, before. I wanted you to stop and look at it with fresh eyes, instead of just repeating a phrase you'd picked up from your religious socialization (teachings).
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.