(October 2, 2015 at 8:24 pm)JuliaL Wrote:(October 2, 2015 at 1:53 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote:I wandered around the gunviolencearchive site for a while to try to figure out the discrepancy between your 12562 and Kitan's 33636 number.
http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/tolls/2014
When you must inflate your numbers threefold in order to make your point, you lose credibility.
My recollected figure regarding gun deaths is closer to a 35k number.
I don't see where your summary ledger distributes the suicides.
If 2 of 3 gun deaths are suicides, then the 12k number works out to about my 35k (3*12k=36k.)
Wikipedia for what it's worth says:
Quote:According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, in 2013, firearms (excluding BB and pellet guns) were used in 84,258 nonfatal injuries (26.65 per 100,000 U.S. citizens) [2] and 11,208 deaths by homicide (3.5 per 100,000),[3] 21,175 by suicide with a firearm,the 21175 plus 11208 gives 32383 which is pretty close to Kitan's number.
I site searched gunviolencearchive for "suicide statistics" but was not able to specifically identify if or where suicides were counted.
They did state that suicides are an exception to their "near real time collection," but that should not affect an annual toll.
If you're going to count suicides in a gun debate, ought you not support restrictions on the sale of rope? Do you?
In this context, counting those who kill only themselves is disingenuous. We are, after all, talking about guns as murder weapons.
I can link you to FBI statistics on gun crimes which show similar numbers, if you'd prefer.
The fact is that attributing 33,000 deaths to guns in America is factually incorrect.