(October 4, 2015 at 7:13 am)robvalue Wrote: We don't need pain if we couldn't be hurt. If I was designing some buddies and putting them in an environment of my choosing, I wouldn't make it possible for them to be hurt by anything. So no need for pain. I guess God likes the hurt and pain.
Of course, from an evolutionary point of view, pain makes perfect sense. It certainly is a bizarre phenomenon though.
That environment where nobody gets hurt is already created; it's called paradise..even mentioned in the Quran :
Sura 20
(Verse 118 ) Indeed, it is [promised] for you not to be hungry therein or be unclothed.
(Verse 119 ) And indeed, you will not be thirsty therein or be hot from the sun."
(Verse 120 ) Then Satan whispered to him; he said, "O Adam, shall I direct you to the tree of eternity and possession that will not deteriorate?"
Yet, free will took us down to this environment, where we get hungry, we feel pain. If you are a God and chose to do what you wrote in your comment; then you're being a dictator who took free will away from his creations, and didn't see all the scenarios clearly
While in real life, God saw Satan's move, yet tested Adam & Eve against it; without being a dictator who took their free will : he let them write their own destiny. Hence; we are all Adam, we are all Eve..same genes after all.. all of us must be tested against that Satan. This is the testing ground.
You are semi correct on this. The environment where we don't feel pain comes though after we are judged.
Aractus
Weren't you James Bond a while ago ? last time I was here you had 007 in your avatar..and a Christian faith..I think that's you.
Oh well, typical "ex christian" who crossed to atheism, yet forgot to let go of the anti-Islam propaganda the local priest was feeding to him in the days of old. I just know it when you start by writing "typical Muslim".
No Mr Bond, I'm not your "typical Muslim". I'm something else.
In my comment, I said:
Quote:My memory doesn't serve me right in remembering the Bible's history
In other words : I'm not a computer.
But yet again, the forgery comes from the inside out. What you couldn't understand, is that the priests forged it. Even if the version is that ancient, Jesus's friends weren't all pure, with many traitors already in his ranks.
About the dates, maybe this will convince you :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_method
If the archaeological evidence is not there, -which is Jesus himself- is not found, then how should you perform an accurate historical method ?
Again, in an age where most of his followers were crucified & killed, witnessing one of the worst oppression in history, how would the traditions still be kept ?
If you try to convince me for ages, that history is accurate, I will never believe you. I saw a book not that old -Quran- going under ongoing forging attempts, whole events written by the victors -in my own lifetime-, so please, what accuracy do you speak about ?
This book is forged. A simple reading through it would prove that, with countless contradictions, accompanied by a Roman scent.
