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Hi, I'm a Christian. Help Me Disprove My Religion!
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RE: Hi, I'm a Christian. Help Me Disprove My Religion!
October 4, 2015 at 6:31 am (This post was last modified: October 4, 2015 at 6:32 am by WinterHold.)
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RE: Hi, I'm a Christian. Help Me Disprove My Religion!
October 4, 2015 at 7:13 am (This post was last modified: October 4, 2015 at 7:13 am by robvalue.)
We don't need pain if we couldn't be hurt. If I was designing some buddies and putting them in an environment of my choosing, I wouldn't make it possible for them to be hurt by anything. So no need for pain. I guess God likes the hurt and pain.

Of course, from an evolutionary point of view, pain makes perfect sense. It certainly is a bizarre phenomenon though.
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RE: Hi, I'm a Christian. Help Me Disprove My Religion!
October 4, 2015 at 7:36 am
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RE: Hi, I'm a Christian. Help Me Disprove My Religion!
October 4, 2015 at 7:49 am
OP: Hi, I'm a Christian. Help Me Disprove My Religion!

A: What, just like that? No dinner first, no coin .. just help you out? I think not.
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RE: Hi, I'm a Christian. Help Me Disprove My Religion!
October 4, 2015 at 8:05 am
I think we scared him off.
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RE: Hi, I'm a Christian. Help Me Disprove My Religion!
October 4, 2015 at 11:09 am
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.

I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.

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RE: Hi, I'm a Christian. Help Me Disprove My Religion!
October 4, 2015 at 2:29 pm
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RE: Hi, I'm a Christian. Help Me Disprove My Religion!
October 4, 2015 at 3:54 pm
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.

I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.

Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
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Nietzsche isn't dead. How do I know he lives? He lives in my mind.
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RE: Hi, I'm a Christian. Help Me Disprove My Religion!
October 4, 2015 at 4:35 pm
Libertarian free will defies all logic anyway. So if God exists, and he created us, then he couldn't have created us with free will.

Also, even if free will was logical, God clearly didn't give us complete freedom to do all sorts of things, so he would still be a "dictator".
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RE: Hi, I'm a Christian. Help Me Disprove My Religion!
October 4, 2015 at 7:41 pm (This post was last modified: October 4, 2015 at 7:43 pm by robvalue.)
Why exactly do you need horrible pain as an option to have free will? We clearly don't have totally free do-whatever will, do we? We're in fact incredibly restricted. We can't even barely move away from this tiny planet without huge effort.

We can still have free will, actually way more than we have now, just without any horrible painful options. And really, getting a disease isn't part of "free will" is it? People get born with horrific painful things. Blaming them for what previous humans have done is disgusting.

So this always happens; free will is brought up, I point out that you can have plenty of free will without the possibility of harm and hurt. Then it's something about "you can't appreciate being happy without there being sadness" and I say "if so, that's an arbitrary decision by the designer too, quit making excuses".

I can imagine, very easily, a happy, wonderful world with nothing negative in it, but which everyone has a brilliant time. With plenty of free will. Is my imagination more potent than God? How cruel to let me imagine a world more wonderful than he is able/willing to give us!

"What awesome thing do you choose to do today?"

"Oh well, I'd like bone cancer please."

"What's the matter with you? We don't have bone cancer here. You can have a short simulation of how horrible it is to have bone cancer if you really want, just press the button to return here when you've had enough of it and you'll be back and unharmed."

Then the conversation dies down, gets ignored... and repeats itself right from the start a few days later. Please quit making excuses for God. If there's pain and hurt, it's because he wants it here, by definition.
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