(October 8, 2015 at 12:52 am)bambi_swag Wrote:(October 8, 2015 at 12:50 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Not "she", he. But I said "they" because I wasn't entirely sure if I was quoting Evie or Dawkins or some other author referencing the claims of Dawkins in that context.Yes. We have to be on the same page before we both jump to conclusions on each other being liars and lunatics.
Agreed. But if you twist two completely different phrases into a single term which you can then use as a strawman to bash Dawkins, then I suggest that it indicates a deliberate liar.
That's not to say I don't think one should bash Dawkins on his own merits; I frequently and vehemently have disagreed with some of his ideas in the past. But if you do it on the basis of things not said, or by misrepresenting what was said, you are a liar by definition, or you don't read very well. So I asked which it was.
"Lunatic" is an entirely different accusation, and one that I did not make. So... see above.
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I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
