(October 8, 2015 at 12:16 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote:(October 5, 2015 at 11:18 am)Rekeisha Wrote: Earlier you said you don't know why things are uniform so why can you do it now?
You said I could. Make up your mind...or learn to type.
You keep flinging around this word..."uniform, uniformity, etc." I really think you mean to say "constant." The Universe is anything but uniform. It's completely rife with variables and chaos. It functions according to consistent rules, but I really wouldn't actually call it "uniform."
There are two main reasons why it's acceptable to assume that the Universe behaves according to consistent norms: that conclusion is affirmed by literally billions of years worth of evidence all throughout the Universe, and there is not one shred of evidence to the contrary. Those two facts make it a pretty safe bet that physics does not take breaks. Ever. There's a difference between an assumption and an unfounded assumption. An assumption would be that the Universe behaves more or less consistently. An unfounded assumption would be that this happens because Gaud makes it so.
Quote:God doesn't make you sin. You can't blame your faults on Him. If I tell my child not to do a thing, and I make him aware of the consequences, if he does it it is his fault for disobeying me. It would be evil to allow someone to disobey and not give them a warning but that isn't what God does. He tells us explicitly through His word and implicitly through the systems of the earth as well as our conscious. If we willfully do it then it is us who choose evil but we can not claim ignorance. Also since you don't know all things you don't know how much evil God has stopped.
If Gaud is truly the cause and creator of everything, then he is personally responsible for all sin on many levels. For one thing, in order for sin to enter his system, he must have either created sin or created the thing that invented sin. Regardless of who or what invented sin and introduced it to the system, Gaud invented that thing and introduced it into the system, so the introduction of sin is still Gaud's fault.
For another thing, he also allegedly decides which behaviors are moral and immoral, aka which things are sins. He could decide that nothing is a sin, effectively eliminating the concept of sin from even being possible. He also could have created beings that had the choice not to love him, but didn't have the choice to sin and therefore damn themselves. Any way you slice it, Gaud is either personally responsible for evil or he's personally responsible for the source of evil. There is no escaping this except by ignoring it.
The same goes for suffering, and before you start I'd like to point out that not all suffering is caused by "sin." Some of it is merely caused by our environment, like diseases and natural disasters. Gaud designed the microbes and systems that cause all of that, and he designed us to be susceptible to those things, and he put us here with those things. Obviously he wanted us to suffer from disease and natural events. Otherwise he wouldn't have put us here and made us so destructible.
I mean, hell...our own otherwise healthy cells have the genetic capacity to do this thing called "cancer" where they just fuck up into this nasty, useless stuff and then start multiplying til they kill you. Germs don't do that...our bodies do it to themselves, basically. What all-knowing designer builds in something like that unless he intends for us to suffer horribly and die wasting deaths from it? In what way would he not be responsible for the suffering caused by such a feature? Satan didn't invent cancer, and neither did humans. If there were a creator god, he would be personally and solely responsible for all suffering, all sin, all failure, and all death. He made himself responsible merely by being the one who set it all into motion, even if he never touched it after that.
Quote:Again don't have a foundation for what evil is because you think morals are subjective. What you said was evil when you claimed Christianity you don't claim now. So your idea of an evil God is just your opinion but it isn't based on any true foundation.
My morality, like virtually all human morality, is a personal amalgam of empathy and cultural influence. For me, it all boils down to the Golden Rule. Because the Bible depicts Jehovah as doing a whole bunch of things to people that I wouldn't want done to me and that Jehovah probably wouldn't want done to him, I recognize Jehovah as being evil and immoral. Yes, this is basically my opinion when you get right down to it, but at least my opinion isn't based on cherry-picked passages from the Bible, and at least I recognize that it's an opinion and not a decree from an invisible bogey man in the sky.
Quote:You have no proof this is just conjecture. I also said that God lead me to the bible because that is His word. What I have told you is reality and it will not change the truth. I don't put my faith in a religion I put my faith in God. He is my foundation.
The proof is that what I described is exactly what happened, just with the Bible instead of the Quran. You had a personal "encounter" with a voice in your head who claimed two characteristics that are exceedingly vague and exceedingly common amongst god characters, and then you converted to the first religion you tripped over. That series of events is evidence that it wouldn't have mattered what religion you actually found, so long as it had a god who is eternal and does not have parents. You obviously were looking to convert to a religion, and because you're American you picked Christianity because it's the most accessible and it happened to feed into your confirmation bias from your imaginary conversation with your imaginary friend.
Why is there order?
He does not make people sin but He does take responsibility for us and our sin. It is done through Jesus' death and resurrection. All who believe can be saved by putting their faith in the fact that their sin is paid for through His sacrifice. Another way He does this is that He will judge and remove those who cling to their sin. After his judgment He will in set everything else right.
He doesn't wink at sin because He has integrity. Since, God is good anything that is against His nature is evil. He is a just God and justice requires that evil be paid for. Either through the sacrifice He preformed on the cross or the unrepentant soul pays for their own sin in hell.
God has providence over everything and will use all tools at His disposal to show us our need for salvation. Still, our sinful actions do affect the world and the health of ourselves and others. I am not going to say that God doesn't set things in motion or allow suffering to happen. I do know that God work things out for the good of those who love Him. I can testify to this myself. Suffering can teach us many things and make us aware of our blind spots. I don't know why somethings happen and I may never know but I trust God. You clearly see that things are not as they should be. So the question for your world view is if it is not sin then what is broken?
Do you really live by the Golden rule? You always treat other in the way you want to be treated or is that just what you use against God?
What you described is a figment of your imagination because reality doesn't fit into your presupposition that God does not exist.
I was 5 when I met God and I was not concerned about religion. I didn't have a need that wasn't met and before I met Him I didn't give Him much though.
