(October 10, 2015 at 12:07 pm)Randys brother Wrote:(October 10, 2015 at 12:05 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: It's a joke, RB.
It's pointing out that God apparently wants most scientists to go to hell, since so few of them buy the story is real.
Therefore, so many of them in hell they'll figure out a way to air condition it.
Why in the world do you that God want's scientists to be in hell?
A person can be a scientist and still be saved if he/she has faith.
(October 10, 2015 at 12:06 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: We don't want you to believe it. We want you to figure it out for yourself. Read serious, scholarly work by Christian theologians and Biblical historians who aren't super-fundamentalists (meaning the ones who don't start and end with the presupposition that it must be literal), and they'll explain it to you in an honest way.
Well I don't think that's honest.
it must be literal then it most be,if it's symbolic then it must be.
Wut?
I understand that, according to your mythology, God doesn't want anyone in hell, God wants everyone to be worshipful and accepting of the "free gift" that means hell if you don't accept the "free" gift. (Still not free if there's a metaphorical gun to your head.) The point is that so many scientists (myself included) have noticed that what's in the Bible is so far off the track of what science has discovered that it's clear to most of us--even the ones who remain Christians--that it's the work of flawed, ignorant humans living in a scientifically-ignorant time. The joke is that most scientists, especially top-level ones, are hellbound, and thus there will be such a huge population of us there that we will figure out a way to air condition the place. That's all.
And yes, it is honest. We help you talk about the flaws in your fundamentalist thinking, point out to you as best we can why the things you've been taught to think (and I was taught to think, growing up) about the Bible aren't completely accurate and/or logical and/or plausible, but we really do want you to try to expand your mind and figure it out for yourself.
I'll give you one simple proof, so (if you're an honest person), you can go see one example for yourself. It's as clear as day. First, look up a scientist from the early 19th century named Lamarck, and what he taught about acquired characteristics; it's often called "Lamarckian inheritance". Just Google it and learn what it is, so you'll know what you're looking for. (The short version is that it's what all people thought before Mendel discovered genetic inheritance.)
Then, with your newfound knowledge of Lamarckism, read the Bible at Genesis 30:25-43 and tell me what the story thinks is happening.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.