the hammer of homosexuality

[TheRocketSurgeon]

Wow. Way to completely fuck up everything I was saying! Rather impressive, actually. Beat that strawman up well....c'mon, KICK IT!

Your entire objection to me is illogical, for a reason that you, ironically, pointed out yourself. Why would I mean "all" Christians, when I have pointed out what Christian doctrine actually says?

You did not quote Christian Doctrine, or even make reference to it. You simply pointed to what your beliefs on the matter where and how they should be perceived by Christians in this country.
As referenced by this paragraph from post #83

It's simply pointing out the hypocrisy of the current crusade (and by current, I mean roughly the last century, though of course the suppression, harassment, and murder of homosexuals in the name of God goes back much further than that) against the LGBT community by Christians in this country, when they're not going after people to whom the Bible dedicates quite a few more verses and prohibitions, such as fornicators like myself.

So can we now add liar, to you list of negative qualities? Because you very specifically called out "Christians of this Country" and no sub set as you are now claiming. When someone says "The Christians of this country"  You were making a sweeping generalization about this group, and made absolutely no distinctions that set anyone in that group apart from anyone else. It Should be Taken in the Same Bigoted vain as a racist saying: "The Black people of this country" When A Bigot refers to "the Black people of the Last 100 years in this country" what do you think he is referring to? It mean ALL (except the good ones) Which is EXACTLY What you meant. Everyone Except those in whom you thought were Good. (Your family)

Please. Any reasonable person... and you seem to insist on being unreasonable, at this point... would clearly understand that I do not refer to every single person who is a Christian in the USA, only that we have a particularly virulent branch (generally, the evangelicals and the more conservative Catholics) which has a clear and continuing history of doing this.

However, I did mean "all except the good ones", since there are a large number of good ones, as well, such as the personal examples I listed. Other good Christians include Kingpin and C_L, here, who despite having religious objections to the practice of homosexuality, as the Bible warrants for Christians, are perfectly willing to accommodate the rights of others in a pluralistic society. I consider them friends and allies, on my list of personal examples, though I certainly recognize that they are not the only ones whom I would consider such!

Are you denying that Christians in this country have a history of abuse of the gay population of this country?

All the scenarios above are not an "appeal to bigotry" but a highlighting of hypocrisy, since if those activist Christians were truly as serious about their Bible's prohibitions as they claim to be when screaming "GOD HATES YOU, FAGGOT!" at people, they would also be going after people like me, who are not gay but who nevertheless violate Biblical prohibitions. They should be knocking on my door, so to speak.

But again, Those are a radical element of Christianity, Not even a close representation of all of "The Christians of the last century in this country." Especially in light of what I said in my response to the OP. You were trying to arrogantly correct my doctrine to reflect what you perceive "Christian doctrine of the last 100 years in this country" to be, and then lump me in with that group despite what I actually said..

As pointed out by several people, along with me, if you're radical enough that you would tell your daughter you won't attend her wedding because of your personal religious views, then yes I do consider you to be one of the broad category I briefly described. I don't know whether or not you're the type who would yell something cruel at a homosexual (I doubt that this is the case, given your current objections, but that far extreme is not necessary; there are many ways to be cruel to gays, and screaming at them is only one way).

Clearly, I am referring to the vocal radicals who feel that their personal religious beliefs entitle them to reach into the lives of people not of their own churches and make misery in the lives of those who are different.

Clearly this is a lie because you made no such distinction. Further more when I presented with what would be an 'alternative doctrine' to your stereotype, one that would align itself with a more moderate dealing with Homosexuals, you answered with Sarcasm in Post #69, Sarcasm You took great pains to spell out in detail to show how only one Christian world view concerning Homosexuals dominated "Christian Hate" thus justifying your anti-Christian words in post 83.

As I already wrote, I certainly consider your position more moderate than the screamers, but no less bigoted, and only somewhat less-harmful.

At no point do I say or suggest that every Christian does this. I am engaged to be married to one who does not, and whose famliy once thought that way but have since moderated their views quite nicely. My own parents, while still actively anti-gay as Believers, have matured enough in their beliefs to have recently attended a gay service of an old family friend they know.

The phrase "Yet they're not there" simply means that the same ones I see harassing gays don't bother me or anyone like me, making them hypocrites and assholes. 

Then why the sarcasm? Why the confrontation and effort try and correct my doctrine to coincide with what you think the Christian position has been this last century? Why would anyone set out to hold someone responsible for the doings of someone else unless they thought that 'someone else' were equally responsible? Meaning why start off with "it's sarcasm" when the doctrinal guidelines I laid out do not coincide with your indictment of the Christians of this country for the last century?

The simple easy answer? it is far easier to try and red herring or strawman my doctrine off topic so as to try invalidate it, rather than admit it and concede the topic. You want to be angry, you want to hate everyone except your family. However you were caught, and now your looking for loop holes so as to not admit what you've done.
Again, This is akin to any Bigoted hate speech that lumps all people (except the good ones/Again your words not mine) into a single group despite what they may say or do that is contrary to your views of them.

Um, "want to hate everyone"... wut?

No, I want to not have to be angry about the harm I see done by Christian bigotry, both subtle and overt, and to listen to stories from people who are driven to outright despair by the actions of their religious friends and relatives. I want to see more Christians who show (real) love regardless of whether a person's sexuality matches their religious standards. You clearly have a compulsion to pretend that my righteous anger toward the people who hurt gays with their words and deeds means I hate anyone who is a Believer, and that clearly is not so.

Invoking Godwin's Law here makes you a pretty big asshole, by the way. Even if I really had been saying that every Christian does that (again, I'm not, and not even close by any reasonable observer's standard),

Read your own B/S dude. I am directly responding to what YOU Wrote. (all but the good ones right?) which I must not be apart of otherwise why not just concede the argument (By simply remaining silent?) Why go on a witch hunt answering my post to the OP with sarcasim, and a open ended post that made no special dispensation for the doctrine I had posted? A doctrine which would have made me and I believe the majority of Christians now a days 'one of the good ones?'

I do not consider you "one of the good ones". You consider yourself one of the good ones. And I stand by what I said in the post you are quoting here, every word.

you guys are the overwhelming social majority, enjoy most of the political power in this country,

If this were true do you really think Gay marriage would be a thing right now?

What, you think atheists are responsible for the victories in the gay marriage debate? As I pointed out with the example of my inlaws and parents, many Christians have changed or moderated their views in the past couple of decades, especially the past decade. Just as the Civil Rights Movement was won when whites began to see that White Supremacy was unsupportable, thanks to the actions of activists like Dr. King, and felt sickened after witnessing the cruelty that was enacted against the black minority population, it was the action of a coalition of gays, liberal Christians, and other hetero allies that enabled this gay rights victory. The fact remains that, overall, Christians make up 75% of this country. You guys aren't in danger of being genuinely repressed, even though the fundamentalist types tend to scream oppression when they are stopped from trying to enforce their theocratic leanings upon others.

and have houses of worship on almost every other street corner in this country. There's a massive one right across the street from where I am sitting, that takes up the view of every window on that side of the apartment. For this in any way to equate to what the Nazis did, I would have to be a member of a powerful social and political majority (hint: that's you) making a sweeping misrepresentation of a powerless minority (hint: that's me), in a way that suggested to others that perhaps it was time for the majority to put a stop to or otherwise harass/suppress/eliminate the minority.

lol, no. The Nazi's started just like You guys are. A hand full of people taking the actions of a few, and misrepresenting the facts to try and apply to everyone who was not like minded. using fear and hate to rally majority support. This is exactly what you've done here.

Soooooo you're claiming that we atheists are going to convince the liberal half of the Christian church to turn on the conservative half? Because that's the only way I can see that your claim, here, makes any sense as an argument. I'm just trying to wrap my mind around such lunatic paranoia. Difficult to do.