the hammer of homosexuality

[Drich]

Please. Any reasonable person...

Can see thru your B/S.

and you seem to insist on being unreasonable, at this point...

Appeal to peer pressure.. That's always a good start to a logical argument.

would clearly understand that I do not refer to every single person who is a Christian in the USA, only that we have a particularly virulent branch (generally, the evangelicals and the more conservative Catholics) which has a clear and continuing history of doing this.

And, which classification of religion were you responding to with such negative 'sarcasim' when you directed all that toward what I said?

However, I did  mean "all except the good ones", since there are a large number of good ones, as well, such as the personal examples I listed. Other good Christians include Kingpin and C_L, here, who despite having religious objections to the practice of homosexuality,

Which Again Is A Key Practice in Racist/Bigoted person. Example all gooks eat dog, All Chinks are petty and judgemental, (except the 'good ones.') I had a grandfather who fought the Japs in World war II and I had a Grandfather who fought with the Japs in WWII. The American Grandfather would go on and on about how terrible the japs were, then I found out that my other grandfather fought with the japs and asked him if he was a dirty no good jap? and He said "no boy, he's a good one."

Your 'good one' argument does not paint you in a good light, it only further serves my argument that you are a bigot and liar. So by all means continue to stand behind your words, and garner support for them. Because the fact of the matter is you made no provision in your response to my initial post in this thread. (Because again It does not follow the definition of bigoted speech.) You simply lumped my words in with the Fred Phelps' of the world, and attacked accordingly. It wasn't till challenged that you like my grandfather made a provision for his 'loved ones' under the bigot's "Good one" clause.

as the Bible warrants for Christians, are perfectly willing to accommodate the rights of others in a pluralistic society. I consider them friends and allies, on my list of personal examples, though I certainly recognize that they are not the only ones whom I would consider such!

book chapter and verse. (for accommodating gay rights.)

Are you denying that Christians in this country have a history of abuse of the gay population of this country?

I have made the distinction between those who follow what the bible actually says verse those who have made Homosexuality the modern day witch and proceed to hunt down and persecute them. Again, Homosexuality is a sexual sin (Sexual sin being very very serious) but not unforgivable. Meaning Homosexuals need follow the same road of repentance and redemption as all sinners. That is why it is so important not to justify that sin, because it dooms the Homosexual to Hell. From an eternal stand point their is Potentially more mercy to be found at the end of a Hell fire and condemnation sermon against Homosexuality than their is in a society that openly embraces this sin or any other.

As pointed out by several people, along with me, if you're radical enough that you would tell your daughter you won't attend her wedding because of your personal religious views, then yes I do consider you to be one of the broad category I briefly described.

Any 'marriage' that does not conform to the standards of a biblical marriage is not a marriage. it is a civil union. This includes all homosexual and even some hetrosexual unions. Whether I would go or not would greatly depend on her and where her heart was. If she was lost to the world, then so to would she be lost to me. If their were still hope, then I would attend, but either way I would not be paying for anything.

I don't know whether or not you're the type who would yell something cruel at a homosexual (I doubt that this is the case, given your current objections, but that far extreme is not necessary; there are many ways to be cruel to gays, and screaming at them is only one way).

Anything the a gay person finds objectionable can be twisted into being 'cruel.' I am not a egg shell walker one way or the other. (As witnessed by how I interact here) At the same time I will always do what I know to be right no matter who it is.

As I already wrote, I certainly consider your position more moderate than the screamers, but no less bigoted, and only somewhat less-harmful.

Maybe look at the definition of bigoted again.
big·ot·ry
/ˈbiɡətrē/
noun
noun: bigotry; plural noun: bigotries
intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.

It is the "screaming" (And in your case the sarcasm) that identifies what a bigot actually is. It is the hate /distain that turns simple opposition or protest into bigotry.

Um, "want to hate everyone"... wut?

No, I want to not  have to be angry about the harm I see done by Christian bigotry, both subtle and overt, and to listen to stories from people who are driven to outright despair by the actions of their religious friends and relatives.

Ok let's try this:
Using the proper definition of bigot I provided above, apply it to my first post in this thread that identifies Homosexuality as a sin. Show the hatred and intolerance in what was written. Remember if you can't, then what was written is by definition not bigoted. it simply stands in opposition to what was said. Now if this is the case How is treating someone who simply does not believe as you do, with the same anger and distain as someone who is on a homosexual 'witch hunt' ANY Different than what the homosexual witch hunters are trying to do? How are your action somehow less bigoted, less hateful, less intolerant? What makes you ANY DIFFERENT than a Mirror, Mirror version of fred Phelps?

Do you see now why I identified you, your actions as being hypocritical? Because when given what you perceive to be a justifiable opportunity you attack or lash out with the SAME bitter anger and venom as those you say are such bad people in the church. Your Actions are the same as theirs. the only difference you have with the Homosexual/witch hunters is which side of the topic you fall on. What makes them bad people also lends it self to your judgement/Judgement of your actions as well.

I want to see more  Christians who show (real) love regardless of whether a person's sexuality matches their religious standards. You clearly have a compulsion to pretend that my righteous anger toward the people who hurt gays with their words and deeds means I hate anyone who is a Believer, and that clearly is not so.

That's the thing sport. Nothing I said put me in that group, yet you classified everything I said with those people, Because to you EVERYONE who does not believe as you or one of your 'good one's believe, is immediately identified as a Fred Phelps. Then attacked accordingly.

I do not consider you "one of the good ones". You consider yourself one of the good ones. And I stand by what I said in the post you are quoting here, every word.

Again I don't care if I am in your friends and family circle or not. The point I was making is my words contain no birgotry or hate in them which means despite your personal definition of a bigot I do not fall under the same category as you and say all those in the church of hate gay people do. You inability to make that distinction makes you a fred phelps of anti gay haters. because you like he only see those who agree with your beliefs, and everyone else in lumped into one group and attacked.

If this were true do you really think Gay marriage would be a thing right now?

What, you think atheists are responsible for the victories in the gay marriage debate? As I pointed out with the example of my inlaws and parents, many Christians have changed or moderated their views in the past couple of decades, especially the past decade.

Atheist alone? no. As you pointed out non-biblically based Christians also are responsible for this.

Just as the Civil Rights Movement was won when whites began to see that White Supremacy was unsupportable, thanks to the actions of activists like Dr. King, and felt sickened after witnessing the cruelty that was enacted against the black minority population, it was the action of a coalition of gays, liberal Christians, and other hetero allies that enabled this gay rights victory. The fact remains that, overall, Christians make up 75% of this country. You guys aren't in danger of being genuinely repressed, even though the fundamentalist types tend to scream oppression when they are stopped from trying to enforce their theocratic leanings upon others.

kinda not the same thing at all sport. The oppression of a minority is based on a physically identifiable trait that one can not hide or escape from. So discrimation is automatic and often time without even a word spoken. Homosexuality in a internal/not physical manifested unless one chooses to do so (closeted gays is a good example of this)

So while discrimation is possible, as with any ideology (for example religion) it is not on the same level as racial discrimation.
I've lived both, and it's not even close to being the same thing. It's just a good way to tap 'white guilt' and push to get what they want.

lol, no. The Nazi's started just like You guys are. A hand full of people taking the actions of a few, and misrepresenting the facts to try and apply to everyone who was not like minded. using fear and hate to rally majority support. This is exactly what you've done here.

Soooooo you're claiming that we atheists are going to convince the liberal half of the Christian church to turn on the conservative half? Because that's the only way I can see that your claim, here, makes any sense as an argument. I'm just trying to wrap my mind around such lunatic paranoia. Difficult to do.

Please explain where you got that from in what I said.

I am speaking to you specifically and how you warp the truth. Then I compared what you did to how hitler used that very same method to turn a nation against the Jews.

Again My example was directed at you, but many like you also use this technique, so if my observation applies to one or a whole movement then so be it. You be the judge on who else I am speaking about