Atheism the unscientific belief (part one, two, and three)

[jenny1972]

People Have NDE's While Brain Dead
http://www.near-death.com/science/eviden...-dead.html

" This operation, nicknamed "standstill" by the doctors who perform it, required that Pam's body temperature be lowered to 60 degrees, her heartbeat and breathing stopped, her brain waves flattened, and the blood drained from her head. In everyday terms, she was put to death. After removing the aneurysm, she was restored to life. During the time that Pam was in standstill, she experienced an NDE. Her remarkably detailed veridical out-of-body observations during her surgery were later verified to be true. Her case is considered to be one of the strongest cases of veridical (i.e., verified) evidence in NDE research "


"For practical purposes outside the world of academic debate, three clinical tests commonly determine brain death. First, a standard electroencephalogram, or EEG, measures brain-wave activity. A "flat" EEG denotes non-function of the cerebral cortex - the outer shell of the cerebrum. Second, auditory evoked potentials, similar to those [clicks] elicited by the ear speakers in Pam's surgery, measure brain-stem viability. Absence of these potentials indicates non-function of the brain stem. And third, documentation of no blood flow to the brain is a marker for a generalized absence of brain function.

 

But during "standstill", Pam's brain was found "dead" by all three clinical tests - her electroencephalogram was silent, her brain-stem response was absent, and no blood flowed through her brain. Interestingly, while in this state, she encountered the "deepest" NDE of all Atlanta Study participants."

Still not brain death.  The reduced temperature provokes a bodily reaction geared toward preserving critical tissues such as the brain for as long as possible.  It is designed to avoid any damage to the brain during the procedure.  But you've zeroed in on one of the few so-called veridical NDEs.  As noted on Wikipedia, "Reynolds could only give a report of her experience some time after she recovered from the anesthetic as she was still intubated when she regained consciousness. This would provide some opportunity for her to associate and elaborate upon the sensations she had experienced during the operation with her existing knowledge and expectations."  Again, it's unclear what is happening in NDEs, and the few with tantalizing details such as this one are underwhelming.

how can you say that she wasnt brain dead when all 3 clinical tests reported that she was ? her electroencephalogram was silent, her brain-stem response was absent, and no blood flowed through her brain. doctors consider that brain dead

" This would provide some opportunity for her to associate and elaborate upon the sensations she had experienced during the operation with her existing knowledge and expectations. " how is that anything more than a supposition ? people shouldnt just assume that shes just making it all up unless they can substantiate that claim


BeccsThat's not actually brain death.  Think of it more as a type of suspended animation.
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It's similar to when the body is kept alive during a heart transplant.  

If a person is truly brain dead, they're not coming back.
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technically the brain didnt die but  " brain death " is what it is called when there is no brain-wave activity and a "flat" EEG denotes non-function of the cerebral cortex , there is  non-function of the brain stem and there is no blood flow to the brain and generalized absence of brain function right ?