RE: Proof Mind is Fundamental and Matter Doesn't Exist
October 16, 2015 at 3:44 pm
(This post was last modified: October 16, 2015 at 4:23 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(October 15, 2015 at 8:23 pm)bennyboy Wrote: The difference is that I have direct access to the experience of ideas, and therefore choose idealism as the most sensible default position.Ital is mine. May as well start here. Why did you make me do that, you knew you'd said it just as well as I did......your "therefore" is a comp fallacy, end of. Your continued defense of that same comp fallacy by it's constant invocation as both the impetus for your acceptance of idealism and as a criticism of materialism...is inexplicable, and irrational.
Now, If materialism is not true (or cannot be true), then materialism is not fundamental to all reality. If materialism is not fundamental to all reality (or cannot be fundamental) - then materialism is not true......because materialism is a position regarding what is fundamental to reality........................are you going to need me to quote you on this as well, btw? Do you actually think I'm going to let you bullshit me, when I can just scroll a few pages back? Who the fuck am I talking to?
Quote:You are still confusing the existence of things with their underlying nature. Okay, so we've discovered wave functions vibrating in space-- to me, hardly a bastion of strength for the materialist position but whatever. Now, tell me on what these supervene?No, Benny, I'm not confusing anything, and I'm no more beholden now to explain upon what -if anything, wave functions supervene. No more so than the last time you tried this route. If I could explain that would not prove you wrong, if I could not it would not prove you right. You are hoisting a flag of bad logic, right now - all sails...guns run out, why? The last time you asked a question like this you were supplied with -exactly- the answer you claimed to be looking for...but having been given that answer, you persisted in it's negation. I think you ask these questions as a way of deflecting with no intention of ever altering your position even if your demands are met. You either cannot maintain your positions rationally, or you maintain them by some other means not stated herein. I like to lean towards the latter, but every time you ask one of your "explain that evolutionist" questions........you chip away at the confidence I have in you.
I cannot trust your statements to lead to true conclusions even if the premise is true and the propositions are sound. I can't make it any clearer, it cannot -be- clearer.
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