RE: the hammer of homosexuality
October 18, 2015 at 3:22 pm
(This post was last modified: October 18, 2015 at 3:26 pm by Edwardo Piet.)
Drich Wrote:Like what for instance? (I'm asking for book chapter and verse) I would also like you to define bigoted for the purpose of this conversation.http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/gay/long.htm
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bigoted?s=t
Quote:Someone else who thought as you did... Adolf Hitler.Pleased to meet you Godwin, Strawman, Ad Hominem and Reductio ad Hitlerum:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum
Wow you invoke Godwin's law and lose the argument by default, and make at least 3 fallacies all at once, congratulations: Have a cookie.
Quote:He saw Christianity and the bible as a hostile message and even deemed it "hostile Christianity" verses "positive Christianity" that both supported hitler and his rule.Hi red herring fallacy:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_Christianity
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring
It's totally irrelevant that he did that. The Bible is full of potentially harmful shit, the fact he exploited that doesn't mean it isn't full of harmful shit anyway.
Quote:So let me get this straight.. You said the bible is bigoted and its message is harmful (as hitler did)Well even Hitler got that part right then. Keep going with the Ad Hominems.
He just used it deliberately in a maliciously negative way with his propaganda. The Bible still IS potentially full of harmless bullshit.
Hey I'm pretty sure Hitler also believed that 2+2 = 4 just like I do does that make me wrong and like Hitler for agreeing with Hitler than 2+2=4?
Quote:you then say you don't care what Christians think so long at it does not harm people, unless what is thought comes from the bible, then it is your wish that our lives fall into calamity so as to make us loose faith in everything we believe, just so we can agree with you on this one social issue?No I'm just saying that I hope that those who are bigoted simply because they have strongly homophobically bigoted beliefs merely because the Bible is anti-homosexuality lose their faith if that changes their bigoted view on homosexuality. If the only reason some Christians are homophobic bigots is because they believe what the Bible says about homosexuality and if they didn't believe what the Bible says then they would stop being bigoted then of course I hope they lose their faith!
If that happening reduces bigotry then it's a good thing! Less bigotry=good.
Quote:Do me a favor sport define Bigot for me.The dictionary does that fine.
Quote:Also I'd like to ask what have I said here that causes harm to homosexuals?I'm not saying you cause harm to homosexuals I'm saying that if you think homosexuality is unnatural and have a bigoted view of homosexuality because of what the Bible says then I hope you lose your faith if it gives you a chance to not be a homophobic bigot.
Quote:Lastly I'd like to ask if you know the difference between a disagreement on a social issue and hatred? You do know it is possible to disagree with people and not hate them correct?Yes I know the difference and yes that is possible. Once again I'm saying that if you have a bigoted view of homosexuality because of what the bible says about homosexuality then if losing your faith is the only way to change that then I hope that happens. The less bigots the better.
Quote:To me hate is passifing or justifying someone when what they are doing is going to cause them long term harm, rather than confronting someone (who is seeking the truth) about their sin.If you consider homosexuality is a sin and that is your motivation for thinking homosexuality is wrong then you are a homophobic bigot for biblical reasons so I hope you lose your faith so you can lose your bigotry.
If you consider homosexuality to be wrong or unnatural then you're a bigot.
Quote:Again to do this is an act of brotherly love, not hate.Regardless of if the motivation is intended to be love, if you think homosexuality is wrong then you're a bigot.