the hammer of homosexuality

[Drich]

Not want to sin. Hate our sin.

If homosexuality is the sin and the person is a homosexual, then this implies that the person should not only not want to be who they are but they should hate who they are.

Why? Is it your opinion that any of us, gay/straight you, me, the pope any less sinful than they are? We are all in the same sin boat. (Christians included) Till the day we die. Nothing will ever change that. The only difference is that the Christian acknoweledges his sin, and understand the only way to be redeemed of it is through atonement. Even so None of us According to Paul will ever lead a sin free life.

I don't give any fucks about what you see as righteous behavior. There is nothing good about making a person feel guilt and shame about who they are when they have not hurt anyone.

I agree, that is why I teach my kids to separate sin from who the are as a person, as Paul teaches in Romans. The bigger problem you all seem to be missing is the fact that our society has so gorded itself on self serving behavior that we have become what we 'eat.' Or in this case what we do. That we are Homosexual or Hetrosexual, rather than be a person first who then has this or that type of sex. That way like the north Koreans when anyone speaks critically about a behavior good or bad the individual can not separate themselves from their behavior. This is the Slavery to sin The bible talks about. Again just like the North Koreans are a slave to their state, Allowing a child identify with that one specific behavior, and allowing that behavior dictate who they will become, is the same as being a slave to the state.

The real debate should be on why we allow our children to view themselves this way to begin with. We as a society should not be focoused on what makes us different but what unites us and makes us the same.

Being homosexual and/or acting on homosexual desires is not morally wrong. It causes no harm and it is none of your fucking business

That's because 'morals change from society to society and from generation to generation. It is also why True righteousness has nothing to do with what is 'morally' right or wrong. It's solely based on redemption. Which means the true purpose of the moral law is only to show that we all need to be redeemed.

Who I have sex with doesn't concern you and your opinion of it is irrelevant.

Which is why I prefaced this whole topic by saying I would only share these things with a homosexual who wanted to know God.

While you may reserve your right to have an opinion on the matter, the moment you try to tell me that I should hate my desire to have sex with women you are crossing lines you have no right to cross. And fuck you for that. When you say that I should feel true remorse if I have sex with a woman and ask your god for forgiveness....that is just fucking disgusting and cruel. People who have sex in any way that you consider to be a sin (without causing any harm to anyone), haven't done anything wrong.

Because again ever changing "morality" allows you to deem 'right and wrong' based on what pop culture feels at the time. Which is why Righteousness/God's Righteousness has nothing to do with the law or your understanding of 'morality.'

Life is hard enough without assholes like you coming along and thinking you have a right to tell me that I should feel guilty for who I am. That I should repent desires that I have no control over. That I should deny who I am at every turn to appease your world view. No. Just no.

Life is 'hard' because you are a slave to the things you want to identify with, and you have traded personal freedom that God wants you to have for the demand that you identify your individuality with whatever self indulgent thing you want to do. That is the cost of sin. So that when sin is identified as wrong you must identify yourself as wrong. But, again You, me, the Homosexual, the pope and everyone in between are all infected with the same sin, we are all in the same boat. Christianity frees one from sin and shame, allowing the person to free themselves from what they do as their only means of self identifying.

For example, look at all the wicked things I've been called because of what I believe. I don't feel persecuted, I don't feel bad for what I do or say, nor am I ashamed. Why? Because I do not identify and derive my self worth from my works/deeds. I am first. Then I do. Rather than I do, which defines who I am. If any social order demands you identify yourself through a principle or some way of life (like the North Korean government) How can you say it does not hurt people when it clearly consumes any vestige of a given individual, and turns them into a walking talking representation of a principle/way of life? So then how is identifying as a homosexual first, any different?