(October 22, 2015 at 8:42 am)robvalue Wrote: If we haven't been given free will, it gets even more retarded.Just because we haven't been given Free will/complete autonomy does not mean we have been stripped of all choice.
We have been given Choice/The ablity to chose. That choice is to remain a slave to sin/The wage of sin, or be redeemed and be given eternal life.
Quote: God makes things have a purpose, then doesn't allow us to choose whether or not to use them for that purpose. Since we have no input, unless he's constantly surprised by what happens, he knew all along whether or not we'd use things for their purpose.So... You are the decider of what 'purpose' everything on the planet has? A few hours ago you thought we all had 'free will.' Let's say 'what if' the 'purpose' you assigned certain things was not the purpose at all? Or even has a larger purpose than what you currently invisioned.
Quote:We're a puppet show that he's made self aware. Once the show is over he punishes some of the puppets for things they had no say in.This would be true IF their were no way to redeem ourselves.
Quote:What a dick. And by the same argument, he's designed me to think he's a vile monster. He's made me write this, saying what a lunatic he is. And then he'll punish me for his decision. There's no point preaching to me either since I have no decisions to make; although people don't have the choice whether to preach or not either.Again No free will does not mean we have not been given things to choose. Even the harshest slave owners gave their slaves some personal liberties. For instance You Chose to sin and be a slave to sin the very first time you became aware of the meaning of sin and what it meant to sin, but decided to sin anyway. From that one sin on, even if you never ever sinned again, by choosing sin, you chose to be bound in slavery to your sin, and death (Both Physical and Spiritual) Now you get to chose whether or not to simply die by the choice you originally made to be a slave to sin or to seek redemption and live.
What a bizarre belief system.