the hammer of homosexuality

[Losty]

Why? Is it your opinion that any of us, gay/straight you, me, the pope any less sinful than they are?

1) wtaf O_o I do not believe in sin, I said "the sin is homosexuality" because it happens to be the "sin" that we are currently discussing.

2) I rest easy placing myself in your "they" group. I'm not a part of your "us"

I don't give any fucks about what you see as righteous behavior. There is nothing good about making a person feel guilt and shame about who they are when they have not hurt anyone.

I agree, that is why I teach my kids to separate sin from who they are as a person, as Paul teaches in Romans. The bigger problem you all seem to be missing is the fact that our society has so gorded itself on self serving behavior that we have become what we 'eat.' Or in this case what we do. That we are Homosexual or Hetrosexual, rather than be a person first who then has this or that type of sex. That way like the north Koreans when anyone speaks critically about a behavior good or bad the individual can not separate themselves from their behavior. This is the Slavery to sin The bible talks about. Again just like the North Koreans are a slave to their state, Allowing a child identify with that one specific behavior, and allowing that behavior dictate who they will become, is the same as being a slave to the state.

The real debate should be on why we allow our children to view themselves this way to begin with. We as a society should not be focoused on what makes us different but what unites us and makes us the same.

We as a society need to stop focusing on whether someone's actions or behaviors (that do not harm others) are good or bad, and start minding our own fucking business. As parents, we should be teaching our children to embrace themselves for who they are and how they feel.

Being homosexual and/or acting on homosexual desires is not morally wrong. It causes no harm and it is none of your fucking business

That's because 'morals change from society to society and from generation to generation. It is also why True righteousness has nothing to do with what is 'morally' right or wrong. It's solely based on redemption. Which means the true purpose of the moral law is only to show that we all need to be redeemed.

Define True righteousness and prove that it exists. Once you have done so, feel free to define redemption and prove that we all need it.

Who I have sex with doesn't concern you and your opinion of it is irrelevant.

Which is why I prefaced this whole topic by saying I would only share these things with a homosexual who wanted to know God.

If a person wants to know god, who they have sex with does not concern you and your opinion on it is irrelevant. You can tell them all about your god and even that your god doesn't care for and/or hates homosexuality, but you have no business asking who they have sex with. People are perfectly capable of interpreting the information you give them about your religion. When you go on to tell them that they should hate the things they do and/or the way they feel (even though you can't control how they feel), that will translate to any vulnerable person that they should hate themselves. Spreading this type of message is borderline abusive and it should be contrary to your goal if your goal is to bring people closer to your supposed god.

While you may reserve your right to have an opinion on the matter, the moment you try to tell me that I should hate my desire to have sex with women you are crossing lines you have no right to cross. And fuck you for that. When you say that I should feel true remorse if I have sex with a woman and ask your god for forgiveness....that is just fucking disgusting and cruel. People who have sex in any way that you consider to be a sin (without causing any harm to anyone), haven't done anything wrong.

Because again ever changing "morality" allows you to deem 'right and wrong' based on what pop culture feels at the time. Which is why Righteousness/God's Righteousness has nothing to do with the law or your understanding of 'morality.'

You misjudge me if you believe I base my morals on pop culture.
Define Righteousness/God's Righteousness and prove that it exists.

Life is hard enough without assholes like you coming along and thinking you have a right to tell me that I should feel guilty for who I am. That I should repent desires that I have no control over. That I should deny who I am at every turn to appease your world view. No. Just no.

Life is 'hard' because you are a slave to the things you want to identify with, and you have traded personal freedom that God wants you to have for the demand that you identify your individuality with whatever self indulgent thing you want to do.

Life is hard because that's just the way it is. I was a slave to many things and many people for a very long time. I am not a slave now, nor will I ever be one again.

How I define myself probably varies depending on the context of a conversation, but when I define myself in general it's a lot more complex than just whatever things I want to do.

That is the cost of sin. So that when sin is identified as wrong you must identify yourself as wrong.

1) Define sin, prove that it exists, and then prove that it's bad.

2) The entire point of my original comment was that when you tell someone that how they feel is bad and how they behave is bad and they should hate it, it is likely that they will conflate that with you telling them that they are bad, that they should hate themselves.

It doesn't matter that you don't think they should react that way. It only matters that it is very likely that they will react that way. And it matters because you can harm people with words. You want to share your stinking god with the world, have at it. I just make a request that you choose your words wisely so as to not ruin someone's life.