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Help Me Understand
RE: Help Me Understand
(October 11, 2015 at 11:23 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote:


Sorry for the delayed response.  I have been meaning to get back to this thread, and have been side tracked.  I have not read "The Origin of the Species" (I have downloaded it, and would like to, but since the theory has changed much since, it's hasn't been a priority).
First, the comment on extinct species being found alive and kicking, wasn't an argument against common descent, just that I find it interesting, and is evidence that the fossil record has large gaps by nature.  As I had said I do consider myself skeptical in regards to common descent, and consistent with that I'm not really make claims against it.  
As to evolving upwards or towards something, I have seen studies which may indicate that this may be the case.  I'm going to try and find some links, as my current search didn't produce the results I was looking for.
I am familiar with the tree or bush comparisons to evolution.  However the part that I question is the branches.  I do not see these in the fossil record.  

Part of the reason, that I did take a while to respond is; because I was re-researching Tiktaalik Rosea.  It does seem that this is no longer believed to be a common ancestor to tetrapod’s, but a relation (according to some evolutionist).  There is also a claim of tetrapod tracks prior to Tiktaalik Rosea.  However when searching for walking fish, it seems that there where a number of animals found in the fossil record which share some traits with tetrapods, but they are all different features.  Science shows that the hox gene for tetrapod development of hands and feet are present in paddlefish.  

There are gaps in the fossil record, and I don’t see the connection made in the fossil record.  It is more of this feature in an animal is similar to this feature in another, and it is assumed that common descent is the cause (I don’t think this has been shown).  I would love to see a chart that shows common descent similar to the tetrapod features I found in fish. Something similar to this graph I found on walking fish, but showing more of a progression towards the claims of common descent.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walking_fish
I also question some of the claims of broad speciation made from the fossil record.   And in the context of this discussion, I don’t think that the definition of speciation in regards to reproduction is adequate.  

A large problem I believe is that I do not believe that similar features necessitates common descent, and I have not seen the evidence presented in a way which connects the dots across the timeline.  In regards to Tiktaalik Rosea, I had seen on image, in which the fin of a whale was remarkably similar (or more so) than the link to tetrapod's.
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Help Me Understand - by Shuffle - September 16, 2015 at 1:10 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by DeathByDespair - September 16, 2015 at 11:26 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by Faith No More - September 16, 2015 at 11:35 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by Catholic_Lady - September 16, 2015 at 11:38 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by Randy Carson - September 16, 2015 at 1:15 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Shuffle - September 16, 2015 at 6:20 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Randy Carson - September 16, 2015 at 7:30 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Shuffle - September 16, 2015 at 8:50 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by DeathByDespair - September 16, 2015 at 11:39 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by Faith No More - September 16, 2015 at 11:48 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by Exian - September 16, 2015 at 12:10 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Catholic_Lady - September 16, 2015 at 12:30 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by loganonekenobi - September 28, 2015 at 10:10 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by Divinity - September 16, 2015 at 12:31 pm
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RE: Help Me Understand - by Alex25 - September 16, 2015 at 12:46 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Catholic_Lady - September 16, 2015 at 12:49 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Randy Carson - September 16, 2015 at 1:35 pm
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RE: Help Me Understand - by Alex25 - September 16, 2015 at 12:50 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Catholic_Lady - September 16, 2015 at 12:52 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Salacious B. Crumb - September 16, 2015 at 1:06 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Randy Carson - September 16, 2015 at 1:39 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Thumpalumpacus - September 16, 2015 at 5:22 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Randy Carson - September 16, 2015 at 7:11 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Thumpalumpacus - September 16, 2015 at 7:34 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Randy Carson - September 16, 2015 at 8:42 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Thumpalumpacus - September 17, 2015 at 2:18 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by Catholic_Lady - September 17, 2015 at 3:19 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by Thumpalumpacus - September 17, 2015 at 12:49 pm
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RE: Help Me Understand - by Thumpalumpacus - September 17, 2015 at 1:05 pm
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RE: Help Me Understand - by jenny1972 - November 9, 2015 at 6:05 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by brewer - September 16, 2015 at 1:20 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Randy Carson - September 16, 2015 at 1:41 pm
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RE: Help Me Understand - by Shuffle - September 16, 2015 at 6:41 pm
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RE: Help Me Understand - by Randy Carson - September 16, 2015 at 7:08 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Salacious B. Crumb - September 16, 2015 at 5:46 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Wyrd of Gawd - September 17, 2015 at 12:44 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by Kingpin - September 16, 2015 at 2:50 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by downbeatplumb - September 16, 2015 at 6:01 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Shuffle - September 16, 2015 at 6:58 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Cato - September 16, 2015 at 5:05 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Wyrd of Gawd - September 16, 2015 at 5:29 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by TheRocketSurgeon - September 16, 2015 at 5:51 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Wyrd of Gawd - September 17, 2015 at 4:43 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by Randy Carson - September 16, 2015 at 7:32 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Regina - September 16, 2015 at 5:08 pm
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RE: Help Me Understand - by Regina - September 16, 2015 at 5:41 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Thumpalumpacus - September 16, 2015 at 7:03 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by TheRocketSurgeon - September 16, 2015 at 9:51 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Whateverist - September 17, 2015 at 3:08 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by robvalue - September 17, 2015 at 5:09 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by TheRocketSurgeon - September 17, 2015 at 10:13 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by ignoramus - September 17, 2015 at 5:34 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by John V - September 18, 2015 at 3:14 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Shuffle - September 18, 2015 at 3:34 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by John V - September 18, 2015 at 3:41 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by TheRocketSurgeon - September 18, 2015 at 6:01 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Shuffle - September 18, 2015 at 7:13 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by John V - September 19, 2015 at 6:23 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by TheRocketSurgeon - September 19, 2015 at 8:58 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by John V - October 1, 2015 at 4:04 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by TheRocketSurgeon - September 19, 2015 at 12:32 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by ignoramus - September 19, 2015 at 12:47 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by robvalue - September 19, 2015 at 9:08 am
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RE: Help Me Understand - by Drich - September 20, 2015 at 11:08 am
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RE: Help Me Understand - by Jenny A - September 20, 2015 at 6:56 pm
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RE: Help Me Understand - by Wyrd of Gawd - September 20, 2015 at 7:27 pm
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RE: Help Me Understand - by Wyrd of Gawd - September 20, 2015 at 7:06 pm
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RE: Help Me Understand - by Wyrd of Gawd - September 21, 2015 at 11:49 am
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RE: Help Me Understand - by SofaKingHigh - September 23, 2015 at 11:55 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by ignoramus - September 20, 2015 at 6:45 pm
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RE: Help Me Understand - by Drich - September 28, 2015 at 10:03 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by robvalue - September 21, 2015 at 2:14 pm
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RE: Help Me Understand - by RoadRunner79 - October 10, 2015 at 7:59 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by TheRocketSurgeon - October 10, 2015 at 8:27 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by RoadRunner79 - October 10, 2015 at 8:28 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by TheRocketSurgeon - October 10, 2015 at 10:50 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by robvalue - October 11, 2015 at 5:27 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by jenny1972 - October 11, 2015 at 5:30 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by rexbeccarox - October 11, 2015 at 10:56 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by RoadRunner79 - October 11, 2015 at 10:30 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by TheRocketSurgeon - October 11, 2015 at 11:23 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by RoadRunner79 - October 25, 2015 at 7:48 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by TheRocketSurgeon - October 25, 2015 at 8:56 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by RoadRunner79 - November 8, 2015 at 12:16 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by TheRocketSurgeon - November 8, 2015 at 12:53 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Thumpalumpacus - October 11, 2015 at 10:48 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Thumpalumpacus - October 12, 2015 at 2:04 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by TheRocketSurgeon - October 11, 2015 at 11:48 pm
RE: Help Me Understand - by Thumpalumpacus - October 12, 2015 at 1:38 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by TheRocketSurgeon - October 12, 2015 at 1:47 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by Thumpalumpacus - October 12, 2015 at 2:05 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by robvalue - October 12, 2015 at 3:08 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by TheRocketSurgeon - October 26, 2015 at 8:56 am
RE: Help Me Understand - by loganonekenobi - October 31, 2015 at 3:51 pm

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