RE: Are all atheists this ill-informed about religion?
October 29, 2015 at 9:07 am
(This post was last modified: October 29, 2015 at 9:09 am by TheRocketSurgeon.)
(October 29, 2015 at 8:37 am)alpha male Wrote:(October 29, 2015 at 7:54 am)Irrational Wrote: State the differences.Sure. From dictionary.com:
benevolent: characterized by or expressing goodwill or kindly feelings
good: morally excellent; virtuous; righteous; pious
While I didn't define these, I illustrated them earlier with an example, which everyone has ignored. Expanded version:
A judge is sentencing a convicted murderer. The judge tells the man that he's really good at heart and sentences him to eat a piece of chocolate cake, then go on his way. This would be benevolent of the judge, as it expresses goodwill and kindly feelings. It would not be good of the judge, as it is not morally excellent or righteous.
Regarding god, judgments such as the flood are obviously not benevolent, but they are from god's POV righteous, and therefore good.
Look up the term jurisdiction.
A judge must establish that he has the right and the legal authority to even speak about the law on a case. We have established to you why the God described in your story could never lawfully serve as a judge... let alone as the legislature (maker of laws), cops (watches for breaking the law), judge (pronounces sentence for violation), and executioner (carries out the sentence) all-in-one.
When you say "god is the judge", you are presuming that we have cause to believe that your judge 1) exists, 2) has legitimate jurisdiction, 3) and makes the rules as you say, then 4) has a requirement to equate whatever we do with the act of murder, for which the only punishment is torture and then death if we do not suck the judge's dick.
I mean, um, confess our sins and declare him master. My bad.
Your God concept is not only a moral quagmire, it's patently ridiculous, no matter how you spin it.
Edit to Add: Seriously, in your version, all the murderer has to do is blow the judge and walk free... while I get shot for my traffic ticket because I won't suck it.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.