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RE: Are all atheists this ill-informed about religion?
October 29, 2015 at 6:13 am
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(October 28, 2015 at 3:45 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: (October 28, 2015 at 3:42 pm)Whateverist the White Wrote: If god can only accomplish what you say he can, he can't be all meta- omni- anything.
What is your proof for your statements? What is your reasoning? They seem to me like slogans or conjecture.
This would be a tautology. It is true, because what you say...even everything you might ever imagine, is still not equal to eeeeeevrything - omni. I've noticed this before, with you..when you make statements such as "if you find meaning by assigning meaning". Things that would be true by tautology seem, to you, to require proof...while you simultaneously make statements that could not be true, tuatologically.
It's almost as if this god business is impossible for you to discuss coherently.
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RE: Are all atheists this ill-informed about religion?
October 29, 2015 at 6:14 am
(October 28, 2015 at 4:25 pm)Nestor Wrote: (October 28, 2015 at 3:38 pm)alpha male Wrote: God flooded the world. It's pretty clear he's not omnibenevolent.
That's not to say that he's not all good. Um. Omnibenevolent literally means "all good." That's like saying, "Jesus is not a human. That's not to say that Jesus isn't a man."
Omnibenevolent means all benevolent. Benevolence and goodness overlap in some ways, but are not exactly the same.
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RE: Are all atheists this ill-informed about religion?
October 29, 2015 at 6:16 am
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So, basically, god always means well..lol.
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RE: Are all atheists this ill-informed about religion?
October 29, 2015 at 6:31 am
God must be doing something right, he's got more followers than Justin Bieber!
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RE: Are all atheists this ill-informed about religion?
October 29, 2015 at 6:34 am
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He's not involved in that day to day business. His PR dept have followers. Maybe Beiber would have -more- followers if he became suddenly absent, and left his PR team to do their thing.
It's worth a shot.
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RE: Are all atheists this ill-informed about religion?
October 29, 2015 at 6:38 am
(October 29, 2015 at 6:34 am)Rhythm Wrote: He's not involved in that day to day business. His PR dept have followers. Maybe Beiber would have -more- followers if he became suddenly absent, and left his PR team to do their thing.
It's worth a shot.
If he's absent, at least his music wouldn't interfere with his popularity.
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RE: Are all atheists this ill-informed about religion?
October 29, 2015 at 6:43 am
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Seems to have worked for god. When he was active, he didn't have followers, he had one group of stalkers. Now that he's out of the limelight - and out of his own way...his PR dept stacks knots. I wonder if he gets a cut of that, or..as is the customary relationship between talent and management......that they get the cut and he gets the scraps?
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RE: Are all atheists this ill-informed about religion?
October 29, 2015 at 6:52 am
Here's a little exercise I thought of that might help theists understand what it's like to be on the atheist side of these discussions.
Just pretend, for a moment, that everything you're talking about isn't real. God, and everything you say about him, is referring only to an imaginary character in your head. Everything about your religion is completely untrue. Just make believe for a second. Now imagine what your words would sound like, in this new version of the world. What would they sound like to you, if you thought the person was referring to nothing that was actually real?
If you can do that, you'll get an idea of what your words sound like to an atheist. I'm not saying "atheists are right", this is just an exercise to help give you perspective.
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RE: Are all atheists this ill-informed about religion?
October 29, 2015 at 7:54 am
(October 29, 2015 at 6:14 am)alpha male Wrote: (October 28, 2015 at 4:25 pm)Nestor Wrote: Um. Omnibenevolent literally means "all good." That's like saying, "Jesus is not a human. That's not to say that Jesus isn't a man."
Omnibenevolent means all benevolent. Benevolence and goodness overlap in some ways, but are not exactly the same.
State the differences. Or just admit you have no idea what you're saying.
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RE: Are all atheists this ill-informed about religion?
October 29, 2015 at 8:37 am
(October 29, 2015 at 7:54 am)Irrational Wrote: State the differences. Sure. From dictionary.com:
benevolent: characterized by or expressing goodwill or kindly feelings
good: morally excellent; virtuous; righteous; pious
While I didn't define these, I illustrated them earlier with an example, which everyone has ignored. Expanded version:
A judge is sentencing a convicted murderer. The judge tells the man that he's really good at heart and sentences him to eat a piece of chocolate cake, then go on his way. This would be benevolent of the judge, as it expresses goodwill and kindly feelings. It would not be good of the judge, as it is not morally excellent or righteous.
Regarding god, judgments such as the flood are obviously not benevolent, but they are from god's POV righteous, and therefore good.
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