RE: Christian Persecution
November 5, 2015 at 5:12 am
(This post was last modified: November 5, 2015 at 5:16 am by robvalue.)
@all: I wonder if some people consider America to be the propery of Christianity, and that things should only happen with its blessing.
You have to make your mind up whether you want to live in a secular nation or a theocracy. The second choice is dangerous, because of the assumption that it will be your religion that is running the show. All it takes is for numbers to swing another way and then you're under Muslim rule, or Pastafarian rule.
I firmly believe that most people who think they want to live in a theocracy would be screaming to be let out after five minutes if they had any idea what they were letting themselves in for.
For those sane enough to want things to be secular, here's a quick reality check: for everything you think Christians should be able to do, ask yourself if you'd accept Satanists doing the equivalent. If not, you're a steaming hypocrite.
As regards marriage, there are two very distinct and unrelated types of marriage. There is legal marriage, and there is a religious ceremony which makes you married "in the eyes of the lord" or whatever. There is no requirement for the two to be combined, and no one suggests that the second version be subject to any changes the churches don't want to make. But legal marriage has nothing to do with religion. And as such, religious beliefs should have no influence. It shouldn't stop secular laws being improved to remove discrimination. Are you're prepared for Satanists to add whatever clauses they want to marriage? Would you like that? No, didn't think so.
No one is making Christianity change its "marriages". If you don't like secular marriage, don't do it.
Oh, you want tax breaks now huh? You want legal security? Good luck getting those things in a theocracy. Christianity is a religion, not the religion.
One last point: I find it amusing that all the repressed homo/bisexuals come flying forward to oppose gay marriage, to try and make it look like they can't possibly be that way inclined themselves. They are actually achieving the opposite by highlighting their personal issues and insecurities.
You have to make your mind up whether you want to live in a secular nation or a theocracy. The second choice is dangerous, because of the assumption that it will be your religion that is running the show. All it takes is for numbers to swing another way and then you're under Muslim rule, or Pastafarian rule.
I firmly believe that most people who think they want to live in a theocracy would be screaming to be let out after five minutes if they had any idea what they were letting themselves in for.
For those sane enough to want things to be secular, here's a quick reality check: for everything you think Christians should be able to do, ask yourself if you'd accept Satanists doing the equivalent. If not, you're a steaming hypocrite.
As regards marriage, there are two very distinct and unrelated types of marriage. There is legal marriage, and there is a religious ceremony which makes you married "in the eyes of the lord" or whatever. There is no requirement for the two to be combined, and no one suggests that the second version be subject to any changes the churches don't want to make. But legal marriage has nothing to do with religion. And as such, religious beliefs should have no influence. It shouldn't stop secular laws being improved to remove discrimination. Are you're prepared for Satanists to add whatever clauses they want to marriage? Would you like that? No, didn't think so.
No one is making Christianity change its "marriages". If you don't like secular marriage, don't do it.
Oh, you want tax breaks now huh? You want legal security? Good luck getting those things in a theocracy. Christianity is a religion, not the religion.
One last point: I find it amusing that all the repressed homo/bisexuals come flying forward to oppose gay marriage, to try and make it look like they can't possibly be that way inclined themselves. They are actually achieving the opposite by highlighting their personal issues and insecurities.
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