To clarify a few points after reading the replies:
1. In no way am I assuming that I fully understand the reality of science or the reality of spirituality. The reality of science I am basing it on what scientists have said about the material world, the reality of spirituality I am basing it on what saints have said about the spiritual world.
2. In no way am I calling scientists stupid, in the reality of the material world it is absolutely necessary to have science, and it is a critical part of life, and i have nothing but respect for what they do. The distinction I am making is that scientists can not claim to understand the spiritual reality when they have not made the necessary qualifications to earn the right to understand it (please refer to my essay to understand what it means to get the qualifications).
It would be a bit like an athlete trying to understand a nuclear physicist, they live in two completely different realities. An athlete can never understand a nuclear physicist till he qualifies him self to understand. I don't mean taking a few classes at your local college I mean dedicating ones entire life to gain an understanding. This analogy no way puts "down" either reality.
4. There is the question of show me the evidence. If you read my essay you would see that this not the right question to ask as we have established the existence of two different realities. Evidence in one reality is not the same as in a different reality, so science based evidence will never show the reality of the spiritual world. Its a bit like showing evidence to a dog about rocket science, the evidence is completely nonsensical to the dog, and we can never present evidence at the reality of a dog about the existence of rocket science.
3. Lastly the questions was brought up why not just use the same argument and replace the spirituality reality with a totally absurd reality and ask people to qualify themselves for that reality. The answer to this question would be sure you can do that, but the made up reality does not have thousands of years of evidence from saints who have tried and succeeded in qualifying themselves and talked about a reality which is infact different than to the material world. Show me any other reality you want to make up that has that much first hand accounts of experiences and teachings.
There is also a question of personal experience, just like outliers in science who felt the world is infact not round but there is something different, they had to have an intuition, they had to have a feeling to try and explore an other reality. This same drive and intuition is found in thousands of people to explore the reality of spirituality. Now if you where to show me the same drive and intuition arising in people to explore this made up reality than i would say by all means lets try and validate this made up reality, but that simply is not the case.
1. In no way am I assuming that I fully understand the reality of science or the reality of spirituality. The reality of science I am basing it on what scientists have said about the material world, the reality of spirituality I am basing it on what saints have said about the spiritual world.
2. In no way am I calling scientists stupid, in the reality of the material world it is absolutely necessary to have science, and it is a critical part of life, and i have nothing but respect for what they do. The distinction I am making is that scientists can not claim to understand the spiritual reality when they have not made the necessary qualifications to earn the right to understand it (please refer to my essay to understand what it means to get the qualifications).
It would be a bit like an athlete trying to understand a nuclear physicist, they live in two completely different realities. An athlete can never understand a nuclear physicist till he qualifies him self to understand. I don't mean taking a few classes at your local college I mean dedicating ones entire life to gain an understanding. This analogy no way puts "down" either reality.
4. There is the question of show me the evidence. If you read my essay you would see that this not the right question to ask as we have established the existence of two different realities. Evidence in one reality is not the same as in a different reality, so science based evidence will never show the reality of the spiritual world. Its a bit like showing evidence to a dog about rocket science, the evidence is completely nonsensical to the dog, and we can never present evidence at the reality of a dog about the existence of rocket science.
3. Lastly the questions was brought up why not just use the same argument and replace the spirituality reality with a totally absurd reality and ask people to qualify themselves for that reality. The answer to this question would be sure you can do that, but the made up reality does not have thousands of years of evidence from saints who have tried and succeeded in qualifying themselves and talked about a reality which is infact different than to the material world. Show me any other reality you want to make up that has that much first hand accounts of experiences and teachings.
There is also a question of personal experience, just like outliers in science who felt the world is infact not round but there is something different, they had to have an intuition, they had to have a feeling to try and explore an other reality. This same drive and intuition is found in thousands of people to explore the reality of spirituality. Now if you where to show me the same drive and intuition arising in people to explore this made up reality than i would say by all means lets try and validate this made up reality, but that simply is not the case.
