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Convert me if you can
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RE: Convert me if you can
(December 28, 2010 at 7:08 pm)Rayaan Wrote: Actually there's a lot more to it than your brief summary of the Quran.

See the following debate from 13:44 to 23:15 seconds

Done. I'm having trouble understanding what you're even presenting as evidence here. Muhammad wrote beautiful poetry and he was illiterate? Others would have cried "false" if the Koran wasn't true? Is this the best you can offer?

I hear the same things from Christians. Skeptics would have cried "false" if the early apostles and disciples had lied. It conjures up a fantasy that there were commando fact checkers operating close surveillance on rabbinic writings and that their objections would have somehow survived to the present day, carefully preserved by invisible pixies.

But let all of that go and ask how an illiterate man, assuming he was, could write poetry. Is that possible?

Is it possible that a man with no training in music as a child, who never even started learning to play an instrument until age 19, who had only minimal training in music at all, could write symphonies? He can barely play out the melodies on a synth, line by line until it duplicated an orchestra, but wrote what he could clearly hear in his head? And the music would remind people of such greats as Mozart or Vivaldi. It's a miracle, right? How else could a man who can't play an instrument create such music? If he (I) were a prophet, it would be pronounced a sign of God's validation!

Actually, it's my story and there are more worldly explanations to choose from. I'm passionate about music? I have a knack for composition? I've listened to enough that I've subconsciously absorbed it? There are many different explanations as to how it's possible without invoking God or even suggesting that it couldn't be duplicated by another. If I were to claim to speak to God and offer this to you as "proof", you would never accept it. You understand, I hope, why your "proof" is really unconvincing to me?

And again, I find it revealing that Muslims keep coming back to the Koran as proof of the Koran's claims. Even Christians try to come up with scraps of outside, corroborating evidence. Surely the Muslims would if it were available. The fact that they don't suggests that the Koran has ZERO corroborating evidence for all Muhammad's claims.
(December 28, 2010 at 9:32 pm)annatar Wrote: Dude they can't convert you because your eyes and ears are sealed by allah. Not that they have childish arguments or a contradictory book or just baseless assertions. Its just allah doesn't want you to believe.
Do you know why? Because he promised someone(probably himself) that he will fill the hell with people.
I guess the jokes on you...Angel

Allah is the Biblical god YHWH. There are similar passages in the Bible. It must be there for the believers to rely on when stubborn skeptics keep asking for that pesky evidence.
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Convert me if you can - by DeistPaladin - December 28, 2010 at 4:20 pm
RE: Convert me if you can - by Rayaan - December 28, 2010 at 4:52 pm
RE: Convert me if you can - by DeistPaladin - December 28, 2010 at 5:04 pm
RE: Convert me if you can - by sarah2011 - April 14, 2011 at 6:33 pm
RE: Convert me if you can - by DeistPaladin - April 15, 2011 at 1:50 pm
RE: Convert me if you can - by Rayaan - December 28, 2010 at 7:08 pm
RE: Convert me if you can - by DeistPaladin - December 28, 2010 at 10:11 pm
RE: Convert me if you can - by annatar - December 28, 2010 at 9:32 pm
RE: Convert me if you can - by Zen Badger - December 29, 2010 at 6:35 am
RE: Convert me if you can - by Regens Küchl - December 29, 2010 at 6:02 am
RE: Convert me if you can - by DeistPaladin - December 29, 2010 at 9:31 am
RE: Convert me if you can - by Regens Küchl - December 29, 2010 at 12:56 pm
RE: Convert me if you can - by DeistPaladin - December 29, 2010 at 3:25 pm
RE: Convert me if you can - by Regens Küchl - December 30, 2010 at 4:56 am
RE: Convert me if you can - by Regens Küchl - December 30, 2010 at 6:10 am
RE: Convert me if you can - by DeistPaladin - December 30, 2010 at 11:12 am
RE: Convert me if you can - by Regens Küchl - December 31, 2010 at 11:48 am
RE: Convert me if you can - by DeistPaladin - December 31, 2010 at 12:28 pm
RE: Convert me if you can - by Regens Küchl - January 2, 2011 at 4:36 am
RE: Convert me if you can - by DeistPaladin - January 3, 2011 at 9:19 am
RE: Convert me if you can - by Regens Küchl - January 5, 2011 at 5:32 pm
RE: Convert me if you can - by DeistPaladin - January 5, 2011 at 6:07 pm
RE: Convert me if you can - by Regens Küchl - January 11, 2011 at 2:33 pm
RE: Convert me if you can - by Edwardo Piet - December 29, 2010 at 7:34 am
RE: Convert me if you can - by annatar - December 29, 2010 at 2:12 pm
RE: Convert me if you can - by Anomalocaris - December 30, 2010 at 11:20 am
RE: Convert me if you can - by DeistPaladin - December 30, 2010 at 11:32 am
RE: Convert me if you can - by Regens Küchl - December 31, 2010 at 10:18 am
RE: Convert me if you can - by Rayaan - January 1, 2011 at 8:48 am
RE: Convert me if you can - by DeistPaladin - January 1, 2011 at 1:03 pm
RE: Convert me if you can - by Ashendant - January 3, 2011 at 1:36 pm
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RE: Convert me if you can - by Minimalist - January 1, 2011 at 1:23 pm
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RE: Convert me if you can - by barboft - January 3, 2011 at 9:44 am
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RE: Convert me if you can - by DeistPaladin - January 3, 2011 at 4:33 pm
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RE: Convert me if you can - by padraic - January 4, 2011 at 4:20 am
RE: Convert me if you can - by Edwardo Piet - January 12, 2011 at 8:42 am
RE: Convert me if you can - by Regens Küchl - January 14, 2011 at 9:08 am
RE: Convert me if you can - by DeistPaladin - January 14, 2011 at 11:20 am
RE: Convert me if you can - by Regens Küchl - January 16, 2011 at 5:18 am
RE: Convert me if you can - by Edwardo Piet - January 14, 2011 at 9:19 am
RE: Convert me if you can - by Rayaan - January 14, 2011 at 7:00 pm
RE: Convert me if you can - by DeistPaladin - January 14, 2011 at 7:52 pm
RE: Convert me if you can - by Rayaan - January 15, 2011 at 9:03 am
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RE: Convert me if you can - by DeistPaladin - January 15, 2011 at 9:10 pm
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RE: Convert me if you can - by DeistPaladin - February 13, 2011 at 12:06 pm
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RE: Convert me if you can - by annatar - January 16, 2011 at 1:21 am
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RE: Convert me if you can - by annatar - February 19, 2011 at 9:26 am
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