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Convert me if you can
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RE: Convert me if you can
(December 29, 2010 at 9:31 am)DeistPaladin Wrote:
(December 29, 2010 at 6:02 am)Regens Küchl Wrote: Mohammed had his wisdom from Allah, who of course knew the prophet Jesus better than humans.

(Accepting this as role-playing)

This is the "power of God card" which the believer can opt to play as a last resort when all other options are gone. The act of playing it is a tacit admission that their story is so odd, so against all evidence, that it defies any worldly explanation.

Beyond the problems of Occam's Razor and Hitchen's Razor ("that which can be proposed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence"), it opens a can of worms for the theist. If you suppose that a deity whispers to one mortal regarding the truth about Jesus, why not a more influential one? Would a Roman Emperor or a Pope would be a better choice than some guy in a totally different country?
(Yes, this is role playing. And fun.)

Before starting to try to convert someone I would first see to it that I know what exactly the person already believes. And on that I would choose my strategy.
Your starting post suggested that you had already accepted an Abrahamitic god as a fact, and just need help to know which Abrahamitic religion is right.
(December 29, 2010 at 9:31 am)DeistPaladin Wrote: Let's pretend that I've decided I need religion in my life. I've decided to choose between Christianity and Islam. The Christians have made their sales pitch to me. Now those Muslim posters on this board can make yours. What evidence or arguments does Islam have to support it?
On a person like that it is no bad strategy to use the "Power of god card" as a first. One who accepts already the Abrahamitic god as a fact will surely accept that he has power.

And your specific question provoked my answer.
(December 29, 2010 at 9:31 am)DeistPaladin Wrote: What would be your sales pitch to convince me that Muhammad knew Jesus better than the Christians?
Furthermore the Christians got their religion from the false apostle Paul and other false apostles, Mohammed got his from the head man Allah himself.
Humans like Paul, who not even saw himself as another prophet, can so likely be wrong. A real prophet cannot be wrong.
They misunderstood the great prophet Jesus and perverted his message.
So Allah had to send another Prophet to clear up things and it is Mohammed(blessed be his name)


As to your question :
(December 29, 2010 at 9:31 am)DeistPaladin Wrote: why not a more influential one? Would a Roman Emperor or a Pope would be a better choice than some guy in a totally different country?
At the end Mohammed proved and still proves to be pretty influential! Wouldnt you say so too?
The roman emperors and popes themselves were the very problem. They were false apostles and their royal helpers, already being pawns of Satan.
They would not have heard to the rightful voice of Allah and neither would they have been worthy to.

Different country? It is subjective from the point of view what one calls a different country.
Arabia is geographically nearer to the holy land of the bible than rome. Arabia was already touched by christianity when Allah decided to save it from the message of the false apostles by speaking his true message to a worthy man, who became the last and final prophet.
(December 29, 2010 at 9:31 am)DeistPaladin Wrote:
Quote:At first I would like you to consider this : Not once in the NT does Jesus say that he is GodWink Shades

Actually yes he does.

Quote:John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

John 10:38 The Father is in me, and I in him.

John 14:9 He that hath seen me hath seen the Father.

John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.
John 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed

Revelation 1:17 Fear not; I am the first and the last.

Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega

Muslims, put down the Bible. It shouldn't be surprising that someone else's scripture is written to support someone else's religion.
Actually you will see that it is not that easy for it is a harbored apologetic problem for christians.
Catholic and evangelical theologians alike admit that he never exactly said he was god and of course try to weasel an apologetic way out of this:
http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/q..._deity.htm

They say that that and this and there in the NT Jesus murmured something that can be interpreted as a way of saying so, but Islam has all the answers to defy that lie:
http://www.muhammadanism.org/Jesus/Jesus..._claim.htm

So, my friend, what more do you want to know? I will answer everything in honesty to you.

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Convert me if you can - by DeistPaladin - December 28, 2010 at 4:20 pm
RE: Convert me if you can - by Rayaan - December 28, 2010 at 4:52 pm
RE: Convert me if you can - by DeistPaladin - December 28, 2010 at 5:04 pm
RE: Convert me if you can - by sarah2011 - April 14, 2011 at 6:33 pm
RE: Convert me if you can - by DeistPaladin - April 15, 2011 at 1:50 pm
RE: Convert me if you can - by Rayaan - December 28, 2010 at 7:08 pm
RE: Convert me if you can - by DeistPaladin - December 28, 2010 at 10:11 pm
RE: Convert me if you can - by annatar - December 28, 2010 at 9:32 pm
RE: Convert me if you can - by Zen Badger - December 29, 2010 at 6:35 am
RE: Convert me if you can - by Regens Küchl - December 29, 2010 at 6:02 am
RE: Convert me if you can - by DeistPaladin - December 29, 2010 at 9:31 am
RE: Convert me if you can - by Regens Küchl - December 29, 2010 at 12:56 pm
RE: Convert me if you can - by DeistPaladin - December 29, 2010 at 3:25 pm
RE: Convert me if you can - by Regens Küchl - December 30, 2010 at 4:56 am
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RE: Convert me if you can - by DeistPaladin - December 30, 2010 at 11:12 am
RE: Convert me if you can - by Regens Küchl - December 31, 2010 at 11:48 am
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RE: Convert me if you can - by Regens Küchl - January 2, 2011 at 4:36 am
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RE: Convert me if you can - by Regens Küchl - January 5, 2011 at 5:32 pm
RE: Convert me if you can - by DeistPaladin - January 5, 2011 at 6:07 pm
RE: Convert me if you can - by Regens Küchl - January 11, 2011 at 2:33 pm
RE: Convert me if you can - by Edwardo Piet - December 29, 2010 at 7:34 am
RE: Convert me if you can - by annatar - December 29, 2010 at 2:12 pm
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RE: Convert me if you can - by DeistPaladin - January 14, 2011 at 11:20 am
RE: Convert me if you can - by Regens Küchl - January 16, 2011 at 5:18 am
RE: Convert me if you can - by Edwardo Piet - January 14, 2011 at 9:19 am
RE: Convert me if you can - by Rayaan - January 14, 2011 at 7:00 pm
RE: Convert me if you can - by DeistPaladin - January 14, 2011 at 7:52 pm
RE: Convert me if you can - by Rayaan - January 15, 2011 at 9:03 am
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