RE: Convert me if you can
December 30, 2010 at 11:12 am
(This post was last modified: December 30, 2010 at 2:29 pm by DeistPaladin.)
(December 30, 2010 at 6:10 am)Regens Küchl Wrote: I beg you not to move the goalpost. I thought of Judaism too, but ruled that problem out because you stated to only want to choose between two choices.:
Fair enough. I only mentioned it because you brought up a belief in an Abrahamic god, reminding me that such a belief would include Judaism. Christianity does a more effective job and posing as the successor to and fulfillment of Judaism but such a claim collapses under close examination. Islam seems far more crude for reasons I've already discussed.
(December 29, 2010 at 3:25 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: Allah choose Mohammed(blessed be his name) because of his pure heart and worthyness without equal.
Blah blah blah. Every religion claims such things about their prophets. This one's a wash, if it can be called an "argument" at all.
Quote:The christians needed several centuries to win the whole roman empire for their false religion, but the muslims managed to take a gigantic part of it from them within one generation after Mohammed(blessed be his name) and hold all of it until today (except granada and armenia).
No prophet before or after mohammed ever was that succesfull.
Wouldnt you say that this speaks very much for him?
Again, if we're going by success = a sign of which religion is most legitimate, I think Christianity is the one with a leg up on their competition, both in terms of numbers and in terms of which culture has been more successful for the last several hundred years.
(December 29, 2010 at 3:25 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: there is no such thing as a failed prophed because all prophets are great.
The word "great" can only have meaning if its used as opposed to "not great".
Quote:Or else you would have to call the two prophets that were murdered by the jews in the OT also failed prophets.
Not if they convinced people of the true way.
Quote:That "another country argument" of you is still ridiculous. Do you think that Allah saw rome as the heart of the world? Rome was just the home of the false apostle called Pope.
So Allah wrote off Christianity as a lost cause. Fine. Still speaks volumes about how Jesus was an ultimate failure as a prophet.
Quote:And still another reason is the unequaled beautiness of the arabian language. Allah wanted to tell his last prophet the Koran in the most beautiful language there is. Arabic, which is spoken in Arabia
So the arguments for Islam so far include:
1. Success (same could be said for Christianity)
2. Oooooh, pretty poetry.
Quote:I did not say greatest success story = authentic religion, but what would have become of pauls teachings without constantine later making christianity state religion?
Both religions were spread by conquest and persecution. That argument's a wash.
Quote:I think Allahs plan is very clear to see here. Divine logic that led to success.
And we come back to success = the right one.
This argument might be less ridiculous if most of the Islamic world wasn't currently festering in its own Dark Ages.
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