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Muslims
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RE: Muslims
(November 21, 2015 at 12:44 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Thank you for your honesty and insight, MK. For the record, I don't think good Muslim folks need to ditch their religion. I just think Islam needs some kind of reform... to where the laws are more clear so that we don't have psychos interpreting the Quran in the most literal and extreme way possible.
Thank you for your kind words. 

I think we need to start listening and understanding our religion better through a grieving sad loving heart. The problem is Quran is not solely about appealing to the intellect, but the soul/heart as well.

And we are failing in two fronts, the heart/soul aspect, as well as the intellectual aspect. We fail to appreciate both.

Jacob use to cry for Joseph so much, it was his routine in life. The problem is people's hearts are hard to listening to Quran. The Quran emphasized on the love the Prophet Jacob had to Prophet Joseph in a Surah about their story, then emphasized "And you do not ask them a wage but that it is a remembrance to the worlds".  

And to emphasize on that grief of Jacob being due to a high intense knowledge, it was said he was taught a knowledge that most people do not know.

The wage is "Say no wage do I ask for it except the love of my near relatives"
 (42:23)
And it's been described to be the path to God in another verse (25:57).

One of the most important things in any book is to understand it's tone. Quran is recited by many people as if it's revealed in some sort tone that's not. The Quran according to Shiite hadiths attributed to the Imams, is that the Quran has been revealed in a sad tone.

We don't recognize the tears of Jacob. We don't cry and grief for his chosen ones as he does. But had we that love that is a remembrance towards God and his names/light/face and path, we would not oppress a single human.


"say: whatever wage I have asked you, then it is for yourselves"

John, Joseph, Jesus, these chosen ones could of lead humanity to happiness long time ago. They could of lead people to justice and out of ignorance and oppression. The world could of happily been waiting for the final Messenger, and the final successor of that Messenger with open arms.

All Prophets were sent not so humans oppress in the name of the Prophets or their Lord [the Exalted] but rather that humans conduct themselves with justice.

The Quran came showing a sad history where God has been lending a hand and in his words, causing nothing but grief to God expressed in his words:

"O (intense) grief over my servants, there comes naught a Messenger but regarding him they would mock"

When you tell people God has intense grief over what humanity has faced, it seems counter intuitive, that's because Satan himself distorts our view of God. God doesn't change state to state, but just he is pleased when we do good acts, he is grieved intensely when we lose our souls, and this not describing changing to an emotional state but rather manifesting the one essence that doesn't change.

If we don't cry over the oppression and sad state of the world, it's because we have hard hearts. And if we don't care about the best of humans and chosen ones, and the oppression they faced, we won't care about those lesser to them. We might give it a passing thought.

God knows how to bring justice, and yes the answer is still and has always been love, but not just any love, love in overdrive.

When you love, it teaches you. It teaches you how to love in a better way over time.
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Muslims - by Napoléon - November 20, 2015 at 5:01 pm
RE: Muslims - by Rhondazvous - November 20, 2015 at 5:18 pm
RE: Muslims - by Napoléon - November 20, 2015 at 5:19 pm
RE: Muslims - by Dystopia - November 20, 2015 at 5:21 pm
RE: Muslims - by Napoléon - November 20, 2015 at 5:24 pm
RE: Muslims - by Rhondazvous - November 20, 2015 at 6:34 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 20, 2015 at 6:34 pm
RE: Muslims - by Napoléon - November 20, 2015 at 6:57 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 20, 2015 at 7:00 pm
RE: Muslims - by Napoléon - November 20, 2015 at 7:02 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 20, 2015 at 7:12 pm
RE: Muslims - by Napoléon - November 20, 2015 at 7:18 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 20, 2015 at 7:28 pm
RE: Muslims - by Minimalist - November 20, 2015 at 10:19 pm
RE: Muslims - by Rhondazvous - November 20, 2015 at 8:30 pm
RE: Muslims - by Spooky - November 20, 2015 at 7:14 pm
RE: Muslims - by ignoramus - November 20, 2015 at 7:24 pm
RE: Muslims - by Dystopia - November 20, 2015 at 7:24 pm
Muslims - by Napoléon - November 20, 2015 at 7:29 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 20, 2015 at 7:30 pm
RE: Muslims - by Napoléon - November 20, 2015 at 8:19 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 20, 2015 at 7:32 pm
RE: Muslims - by Grandizer - November 20, 2015 at 8:18 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 20, 2015 at 8:50 pm
RE: Muslims - by KevinM1 - November 20, 2015 at 8:37 pm
RE: Muslims - by Heat - November 20, 2015 at 8:38 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 20, 2015 at 8:47 pm
RE: Muslims - by Napoléon - November 20, 2015 at 8:48 pm
RE: Muslims - by Heat - November 20, 2015 at 9:05 pm
RE: Muslims - by Napoléon - November 20, 2015 at 9:23 pm
RE: Muslims - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 21, 2015 at 12:34 am
RE: Muslims - by Dystopia - November 20, 2015 at 8:55 pm
RE: Muslims - by Napoléon - November 20, 2015 at 8:57 pm
RE: Muslims - by Heat - November 20, 2015 at 9:08 pm
RE: Muslims - by Napoléon - November 20, 2015 at 9:28 pm
RE: Muslims - by ignoramus - November 20, 2015 at 11:15 pm
RE: Muslims - by Heat - November 20, 2015 at 11:35 pm
RE: Muslims - by Cato - November 21, 2015 at 2:13 am
RE: Muslims - by Minimalist - November 20, 2015 at 10:36 pm
RE: Muslims - by MysticKnight - November 21, 2015 at 12:36 am
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2015 at 12:44 am
RE: Muslims - by MysticKnight - November 21, 2015 at 1:24 am
RE: Muslims - by dyresand - November 21, 2015 at 12:54 am
RE: Muslims - by Thumpalumpacus - November 21, 2015 at 1:45 am
RE: Muslims - by Thumpalumpacus - November 21, 2015 at 1:49 am
RE: Muslims - by Napoléon - November 22, 2015 at 6:00 am
RE: Muslims - by Thumpalumpacus - November 22, 2015 at 12:48 pm
RE: Muslims - by Napoléon - November 22, 2015 at 1:06 pm
RE: Muslims - by Thumpalumpacus - November 22, 2015 at 1:22 pm
RE: Muslims - by Napoléon - November 23, 2015 at 10:54 am
Muslims - by KUSA - November 21, 2015 at 2:03 am
RE: Muslims - by robvalue - November 21, 2015 at 5:25 am
RE: Muslims - by Dystopia - November 21, 2015 at 10:10 am
RE: Muslims - by Bob Kelso - November 21, 2015 at 6:55 am
RE: Muslims - by Homeless Nutter - November 21, 2015 at 7:14 am
RE: Muslims - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 21, 2015 at 3:29 pm
RE: Muslims - by robvalue - November 21, 2015 at 7:27 am
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2015 at 11:54 am
RE: Muslims - by ignoramus - November 21, 2015 at 8:32 am
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2015 at 12:00 pm
RE: Muslims - by KevinM1 - November 21, 2015 at 8:35 am
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2015 at 12:06 pm
RE: Muslims - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 21, 2015 at 3:49 pm
RE: Muslims - by KevinM1 - November 21, 2015 at 6:34 pm
RE: Muslims - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 21, 2015 at 3:35 pm
RE: Muslims - by robvalue - November 21, 2015 at 9:01 am
RE: Muslims - by Regina - November 21, 2015 at 9:07 am
RE: Muslims - by Napoléon - November 21, 2015 at 9:23 am
RE: Muslims - by robvalue - November 21, 2015 at 9:09 am
RE: Muslims - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 21, 2015 at 3:42 pm
RE: Muslims - by Regina - November 21, 2015 at 9:17 am
RE: Muslims - by Minimalist - November 21, 2015 at 11:59 am
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2015 at 12:14 pm
RE: Muslims - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 21, 2015 at 3:52 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2015 at 12:03 pm
RE: Muslims - by Dystopia - November 21, 2015 at 2:55 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2015 at 4:09 pm
RE: Muslims - by MysticKnight - November 21, 2015 at 4:25 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2015 at 4:42 pm
RE: Muslims - by Minimalist - November 21, 2015 at 12:23 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2015 at 12:36 pm
RE: Muslims - by Minimalist - November 21, 2015 at 12:39 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2015 at 1:07 pm
RE: Muslims - by Minimalist - November 21, 2015 at 2:02 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2015 at 2:23 pm
RE: Muslims - by Thumpalumpacus - November 21, 2015 at 3:09 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2015 at 4:12 pm
RE: Muslims - by Thumpalumpacus - November 22, 2015 at 12:36 pm
RE: Muslims - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 22, 2015 at 8:35 pm
RE: Muslims - by Thumpalumpacus - November 21, 2015 at 2:06 pm
RE: Muslims - by vorlon13 - November 21, 2015 at 2:22 pm
RE: Muslims - by Minimalist - November 21, 2015 at 2:37 pm
RE: Muslims - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 21, 2015 at 4:09 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2015 at 2:51 pm
RE: Muslims - by Minimalist - November 21, 2015 at 3:00 pm
RE: Muslims - by Minimalist - November 21, 2015 at 3:02 pm
RE: Muslims - by Minimalist - November 21, 2015 at 3:32 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2015 at 4:15 pm
RE: Muslims - by Minimalist - November 21, 2015 at 7:37 pm
RE: Muslims - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 21, 2015 at 11:06 pm
RE: Muslims - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 21, 2015 at 4:48 pm
RE: Muslims - by robvalue - November 21, 2015 at 3:41 pm
RE: Muslims - by downbeatplumb - November 22, 2015 at 1:02 pm
RE: Muslims - by MysticKnight - November 21, 2015 at 4:47 pm
RE: Muslims - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 21, 2015 at 5:23 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2015 at 6:05 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2015 at 6:56 pm
RE: Muslims - by Iroscato - November 21, 2015 at 8:26 pm
RE: Muslims - by Regina - November 21, 2015 at 11:19 pm
Muslims - by KUSA - November 21, 2015 at 8:47 pm
RE: Muslims - by Grandizer - November 22, 2015 at 12:04 am
RE: Muslims - by Minimalist - November 22, 2015 at 12:01 am
RE: Muslims - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 22, 2015 at 12:29 am
RE: Muslims - by ignoramus - November 22, 2015 at 2:00 am
RE: Muslims - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 22, 2015 at 4:14 am
RE: Muslims - by ignoramus - November 22, 2015 at 4:50 am
RE: Muslims - by robvalue - November 22, 2015 at 1:07 pm
RE: Muslims - by downbeatplumb - November 22, 2015 at 1:21 pm
RE: Muslims - by robvalue - November 22, 2015 at 1:24 pm
RE: Muslims - by Minimalist - November 22, 2015 at 1:25 pm
RE: Muslims - by Thumpalumpacus - November 22, 2015 at 1:53 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 22, 2015 at 9:31 pm
RE: Muslims - by Thumpalumpacus - November 22, 2015 at 10:13 pm
RE: Muslims - by ignoramus - November 22, 2015 at 10:19 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 22, 2015 at 10:21 pm
RE: Muslims - by dyresand - November 22, 2015 at 10:22 pm
RE: Muslims - by robvalue - November 22, 2015 at 11:12 pm
RE: Muslims - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 23, 2015 at 12:45 am
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 23, 2015 at 4:34 pm
RE: Muslims - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 23, 2015 at 10:35 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 23, 2015 at 11:01 pm
RE: Muslims - by Anomalocaris - November 24, 2015 at 12:35 am
RE: Muslims - by Minimalist - November 23, 2015 at 4:39 pm
RE: Muslims - by Minimalist - November 23, 2015 at 4:54 pm
RE: Muslims - by Dystopia - November 23, 2015 at 4:58 pm
RE: Muslims - by ignoramus - November 24, 2015 at 12:23 am
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 24, 2015 at 12:55 am
RE: Muslims - by Anomalocaris - November 24, 2015 at 1:01 am
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 24, 2015 at 1:03 am
RE: Muslims - by Thumpalumpacus - November 24, 2015 at 1:56 am
RE: Muslims - by Anomalocaris - November 24, 2015 at 7:48 am
RE: Muslims - by Thumpalumpacus - November 24, 2015 at 1:28 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 24, 2015 at 1:38 pm
RE: Muslims - by Thumpalumpacus - November 24, 2015 at 1:58 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 24, 2015 at 1:14 am
RE: Muslims - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 24, 2015 at 1:21 am
RE: Muslims - by Anomalocaris - November 24, 2015 at 7:44 am
RE: Muslims - by ignoramus - November 24, 2015 at 1:26 am

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