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Muslims
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RE: Muslims
(November 21, 2015 at 3:09 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:
(November 21, 2015 at 2:23 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I dunno... I don't think it's right for us, as the richest and most powerful country in the world, to sit back and let them kill innocent people and children. Not only that, but they won't just keep the slaughtering on their own soil. They will terrorize the West and kill people there too... as they have always done. And then of course, we have the problem of refugees leaving the country and needing to find a home somewhere... which is what is happening now.  

I disagree. Middle Easterners have a proverb: Me and my brother against my cousin; me and my cousin against the world -- meaning that internecine struggle will stay that way so long as the outer world stays out of it.  If the West intervened in a Muslim sectarian war, they would drop their fight with each other and band together to fight the Western incursion.

They won't cease terror attacks against us right away, but if there were a Muslim schismatic war, the attacks on the West would peter out, because in a war, you focus your power on your immediate enemy; you don't scatter your attacks, because you dissipate your own military power that way.

Look at it this way: Yemen is in the middle of a bloody civil war.  When's the last time a terrorist plot against the West originated in Yemen?

(November 21, 2015 at 2:23 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Furthermore, Jihad has been going on ever since Islam first came into existence. It seems if they were going to learn on their own that killing is wrong, it would have happened a while back ago.

Not necessarily. Some lessons must be searing in order to stick.

(November 21, 2015 at 2:23 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: It keeps happening because of the root of the problem: the fact that there is no order in Islam and that anyone can read the Koran (a violent book) in any way they like and go around killing people in the name of Mohammed.

By this logic, there should also be Protestant terrorism.

(November 21, 2015 at 2:23 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Islam needs to be reformed from within. There are a lot of really bad Muslims, but there are more good Muslims than bad ones. These good Muslim folks, who are the majority, need to face this problem head on and figure out how they're going to deal with it. Obviously it won't happen overnight. It may take centuries. But it needs to be done and it needs to start somewhere, at some time, otherwise this will never end.

I don't know that the process hasn't already started, but is simply under the radar right now.

Answer to the bold blue:

That's what I'm saying, though. Christianity and Islam are not exactly the same, and won't react the same and have the same problems. The New Testament is not the same as the Koran, the same way that Jesus is not the same as Mohammad. Different religions, different cultures, different history, different ideologies, different traditions, and so and so on. I know you hate religion, but that does not mean all religions are the same. There's plenty of diversity, and not all religious people are going to act the same way, especially if they are from different religions.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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Muslims - by Napoléon - November 20, 2015 at 5:01 pm
RE: Muslims - by Rhondazvous - November 20, 2015 at 5:18 pm
RE: Muslims - by Napoléon - November 20, 2015 at 5:19 pm
RE: Muslims - by Dystopia - November 20, 2015 at 5:21 pm
RE: Muslims - by Napoléon - November 20, 2015 at 5:24 pm
RE: Muslims - by Rhondazvous - November 20, 2015 at 6:34 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 20, 2015 at 6:34 pm
RE: Muslims - by Napoléon - November 20, 2015 at 6:57 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 20, 2015 at 7:00 pm
RE: Muslims - by Napoléon - November 20, 2015 at 7:02 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 20, 2015 at 7:12 pm
RE: Muslims - by Napoléon - November 20, 2015 at 7:18 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 20, 2015 at 7:28 pm
RE: Muslims - by Minimalist - November 20, 2015 at 10:19 pm
RE: Muslims - by Rhondazvous - November 20, 2015 at 8:30 pm
RE: Muslims - by Spooky - November 20, 2015 at 7:14 pm
RE: Muslims - by ignoramus - November 20, 2015 at 7:24 pm
RE: Muslims - by Dystopia - November 20, 2015 at 7:24 pm
Muslims - by Napoléon - November 20, 2015 at 7:29 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 20, 2015 at 7:30 pm
RE: Muslims - by Napoléon - November 20, 2015 at 8:19 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 20, 2015 at 7:32 pm
RE: Muslims - by Grandizer - November 20, 2015 at 8:18 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 20, 2015 at 8:50 pm
RE: Muslims - by KevinM1 - November 20, 2015 at 8:37 pm
RE: Muslims - by Heat - November 20, 2015 at 8:38 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 20, 2015 at 8:47 pm
RE: Muslims - by Napoléon - November 20, 2015 at 8:48 pm
RE: Muslims - by Heat - November 20, 2015 at 9:05 pm
RE: Muslims - by Napoléon - November 20, 2015 at 9:23 pm
RE: Muslims - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 21, 2015 at 12:34 am
RE: Muslims - by Dystopia - November 20, 2015 at 8:55 pm
RE: Muslims - by Napoléon - November 20, 2015 at 8:57 pm
RE: Muslims - by Heat - November 20, 2015 at 9:08 pm
RE: Muslims - by Napoléon - November 20, 2015 at 9:28 pm
RE: Muslims - by ignoramus - November 20, 2015 at 11:15 pm
RE: Muslims - by Heat - November 20, 2015 at 11:35 pm
RE: Muslims - by Cato - November 21, 2015 at 2:13 am
RE: Muslims - by Minimalist - November 20, 2015 at 10:36 pm
RE: Muslims - by MysticKnight - November 21, 2015 at 12:36 am
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2015 at 12:44 am
RE: Muslims - by MysticKnight - November 21, 2015 at 1:24 am
RE: Muslims - by dyresand - November 21, 2015 at 12:54 am
RE: Muslims - by Thumpalumpacus - November 21, 2015 at 1:45 am
RE: Muslims - by Thumpalumpacus - November 21, 2015 at 1:49 am
RE: Muslims - by Napoléon - November 22, 2015 at 6:00 am
RE: Muslims - by Thumpalumpacus - November 22, 2015 at 12:48 pm
RE: Muslims - by Napoléon - November 22, 2015 at 1:06 pm
RE: Muslims - by Thumpalumpacus - November 22, 2015 at 1:22 pm
RE: Muslims - by Napoléon - November 23, 2015 at 10:54 am
Muslims - by KUSA - November 21, 2015 at 2:03 am
RE: Muslims - by robvalue - November 21, 2015 at 5:25 am
RE: Muslims - by Dystopia - November 21, 2015 at 10:10 am
RE: Muslims - by Bob Kelso - November 21, 2015 at 6:55 am
RE: Muslims - by Homeless Nutter - November 21, 2015 at 7:14 am
RE: Muslims - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 21, 2015 at 3:29 pm
RE: Muslims - by robvalue - November 21, 2015 at 7:27 am
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2015 at 11:54 am
RE: Muslims - by ignoramus - November 21, 2015 at 8:32 am
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2015 at 12:00 pm
RE: Muslims - by KevinM1 - November 21, 2015 at 8:35 am
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2015 at 12:06 pm
RE: Muslims - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 21, 2015 at 3:49 pm
RE: Muslims - by KevinM1 - November 21, 2015 at 6:34 pm
RE: Muslims - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 21, 2015 at 3:35 pm
RE: Muslims - by robvalue - November 21, 2015 at 9:01 am
RE: Muslims - by Regina - November 21, 2015 at 9:07 am
RE: Muslims - by Napoléon - November 21, 2015 at 9:23 am
RE: Muslims - by robvalue - November 21, 2015 at 9:09 am
RE: Muslims - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 21, 2015 at 3:42 pm
RE: Muslims - by Regina - November 21, 2015 at 9:17 am
RE: Muslims - by Minimalist - November 21, 2015 at 11:59 am
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2015 at 12:14 pm
RE: Muslims - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 21, 2015 at 3:52 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2015 at 12:03 pm
RE: Muslims - by Dystopia - November 21, 2015 at 2:55 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2015 at 4:09 pm
RE: Muslims - by MysticKnight - November 21, 2015 at 4:25 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2015 at 4:42 pm
RE: Muslims - by Minimalist - November 21, 2015 at 12:23 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2015 at 12:36 pm
RE: Muslims - by Minimalist - November 21, 2015 at 12:39 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2015 at 1:07 pm
RE: Muslims - by Minimalist - November 21, 2015 at 2:02 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2015 at 2:23 pm
RE: Muslims - by Thumpalumpacus - November 21, 2015 at 3:09 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2015 at 4:12 pm
RE: Muslims - by Thumpalumpacus - November 22, 2015 at 12:36 pm
RE: Muslims - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 22, 2015 at 8:35 pm
RE: Muslims - by Thumpalumpacus - November 21, 2015 at 2:06 pm
RE: Muslims - by vorlon13 - November 21, 2015 at 2:22 pm
RE: Muslims - by Minimalist - November 21, 2015 at 2:37 pm
RE: Muslims - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 21, 2015 at 4:09 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2015 at 2:51 pm
RE: Muslims - by Minimalist - November 21, 2015 at 3:00 pm
RE: Muslims - by Minimalist - November 21, 2015 at 3:02 pm
RE: Muslims - by Minimalist - November 21, 2015 at 3:32 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2015 at 4:15 pm
RE: Muslims - by Minimalist - November 21, 2015 at 7:37 pm
RE: Muslims - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 21, 2015 at 11:06 pm
RE: Muslims - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 21, 2015 at 4:48 pm
RE: Muslims - by robvalue - November 21, 2015 at 3:41 pm
RE: Muslims - by downbeatplumb - November 22, 2015 at 1:02 pm
RE: Muslims - by MysticKnight - November 21, 2015 at 4:47 pm
RE: Muslims - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 21, 2015 at 5:23 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2015 at 6:05 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2015 at 6:56 pm
RE: Muslims - by Iroscato - November 21, 2015 at 8:26 pm
RE: Muslims - by Regina - November 21, 2015 at 11:19 pm
Muslims - by KUSA - November 21, 2015 at 8:47 pm
RE: Muslims - by Grandizer - November 22, 2015 at 12:04 am
RE: Muslims - by Minimalist - November 22, 2015 at 12:01 am
RE: Muslims - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 22, 2015 at 12:29 am
RE: Muslims - by ignoramus - November 22, 2015 at 2:00 am
RE: Muslims - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 22, 2015 at 4:14 am
RE: Muslims - by ignoramus - November 22, 2015 at 4:50 am
RE: Muslims - by robvalue - November 22, 2015 at 1:07 pm
RE: Muslims - by downbeatplumb - November 22, 2015 at 1:21 pm
RE: Muslims - by robvalue - November 22, 2015 at 1:24 pm
RE: Muslims - by Minimalist - November 22, 2015 at 1:25 pm
RE: Muslims - by Thumpalumpacus - November 22, 2015 at 1:53 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 22, 2015 at 9:31 pm
RE: Muslims - by Thumpalumpacus - November 22, 2015 at 10:13 pm
RE: Muslims - by ignoramus - November 22, 2015 at 10:19 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 22, 2015 at 10:21 pm
RE: Muslims - by dyresand - November 22, 2015 at 10:22 pm
RE: Muslims - by robvalue - November 22, 2015 at 11:12 pm
RE: Muslims - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 23, 2015 at 12:45 am
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 23, 2015 at 4:34 pm
RE: Muslims - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 23, 2015 at 10:35 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 23, 2015 at 11:01 pm
RE: Muslims - by Anomalocaris - November 24, 2015 at 12:35 am
RE: Muslims - by Minimalist - November 23, 2015 at 4:39 pm
RE: Muslims - by Minimalist - November 23, 2015 at 4:54 pm
RE: Muslims - by Dystopia - November 23, 2015 at 4:58 pm
RE: Muslims - by ignoramus - November 24, 2015 at 12:23 am
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 24, 2015 at 12:55 am
RE: Muslims - by Anomalocaris - November 24, 2015 at 1:01 am
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 24, 2015 at 1:03 am
RE: Muslims - by Thumpalumpacus - November 24, 2015 at 1:56 am
RE: Muslims - by Anomalocaris - November 24, 2015 at 7:48 am
RE: Muslims - by Thumpalumpacus - November 24, 2015 at 1:28 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 24, 2015 at 1:38 pm
RE: Muslims - by Thumpalumpacus - November 24, 2015 at 1:58 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 24, 2015 at 1:14 am
RE: Muslims - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 24, 2015 at 1:21 am
RE: Muslims - by Anomalocaris - November 24, 2015 at 7:44 am
RE: Muslims - by ignoramus - November 24, 2015 at 1:26 am

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