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Muslims
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RE: Muslims
(November 21, 2015 at 4:25 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:
(November 21, 2015 at 12:03 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: We can see MK here, our resident Muslim, and see that he is a perfectly good and moral person. If his interpretation/understanding of the Koran and of Islam was some sort of official Islamic law, documented in their doctrine, it would be completely fine. The Islam religion doesn't need to be obliterated. Just reformed.

Thanks for your kind words.  I am no authority in religion. All I can do is voice what I believe, and if it's on insight, perhaps others will see it.  The Quran is mostly a silent teacher. It's not meant to speak unless a speaker makes it speak. I believe God chosen leaders to guide us, but as they were rejected, he safeguarded the final one and cut him off from the community.  I think ultimately we need that chosen leader that God will manifest and unite humanity upon. 

A lot of my views to the credit is due to my parents.  My dad for example when once I tried to speak about the wisdom of cutting off fingers when stealing explained in a long conversation about context, time and place, and how now we have institutions of reforming people that back then they could not afford due to the circumstance the Prophet and his followers were in.  

He also believers other laws might have been for the circumstance (since for example society was so engrossed in fornication in public places it was necessary to be put some harsh rules).

I myself don't know if such a rule was meant for a certain time or all time. 

I would say those laws are perhaps eternal in the sense if the circumstance ever came up again, it would be required.  However in different circumstances the laws don't apply.

But as others say, we are a minority. And we aren't scholars.

Thank you for the explanation. Sounds like you and your dad interpret the Koran in a similar way that most of us Christians interpret the Old Testament. Neither should be taken literally.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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Muslims - by Napoléon - November 20, 2015 at 5:01 pm
RE: Muslims - by Rhondazvous - November 20, 2015 at 5:18 pm
RE: Muslims - by Napoléon - November 20, 2015 at 5:19 pm
RE: Muslims - by Dystopia - November 20, 2015 at 5:21 pm
RE: Muslims - by Napoléon - November 20, 2015 at 5:24 pm
RE: Muslims - by Rhondazvous - November 20, 2015 at 6:34 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 20, 2015 at 6:34 pm
RE: Muslims - by Napoléon - November 20, 2015 at 6:57 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 20, 2015 at 7:00 pm
RE: Muslims - by Napoléon - November 20, 2015 at 7:02 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 20, 2015 at 7:12 pm
RE: Muslims - by Napoléon - November 20, 2015 at 7:18 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 20, 2015 at 7:28 pm
RE: Muslims - by Minimalist - November 20, 2015 at 10:19 pm
RE: Muslims - by Rhondazvous - November 20, 2015 at 8:30 pm
RE: Muslims - by Spooky - November 20, 2015 at 7:14 pm
RE: Muslims - by ignoramus - November 20, 2015 at 7:24 pm
RE: Muslims - by Dystopia - November 20, 2015 at 7:24 pm
Muslims - by Napoléon - November 20, 2015 at 7:29 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 20, 2015 at 7:30 pm
RE: Muslims - by Napoléon - November 20, 2015 at 8:19 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 20, 2015 at 7:32 pm
RE: Muslims - by Grandizer - November 20, 2015 at 8:18 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 20, 2015 at 8:50 pm
RE: Muslims - by KevinM1 - November 20, 2015 at 8:37 pm
RE: Muslims - by Heat - November 20, 2015 at 8:38 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 20, 2015 at 8:47 pm
RE: Muslims - by Napoléon - November 20, 2015 at 8:48 pm
RE: Muslims - by Heat - November 20, 2015 at 9:05 pm
RE: Muslims - by Napoléon - November 20, 2015 at 9:23 pm
RE: Muslims - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 21, 2015 at 12:34 am
RE: Muslims - by Dystopia - November 20, 2015 at 8:55 pm
RE: Muslims - by Napoléon - November 20, 2015 at 8:57 pm
RE: Muslims - by Heat - November 20, 2015 at 9:08 pm
RE: Muslims - by Napoléon - November 20, 2015 at 9:28 pm
RE: Muslims - by ignoramus - November 20, 2015 at 11:15 pm
RE: Muslims - by Heat - November 20, 2015 at 11:35 pm
RE: Muslims - by Cato - November 21, 2015 at 2:13 am
RE: Muslims - by Minimalist - November 20, 2015 at 10:36 pm
RE: Muslims - by MysticKnight - November 21, 2015 at 12:36 am
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2015 at 12:44 am
RE: Muslims - by MysticKnight - November 21, 2015 at 1:24 am
RE: Muslims - by dyresand - November 21, 2015 at 12:54 am
RE: Muslims - by Thumpalumpacus - November 21, 2015 at 1:45 am
RE: Muslims - by Thumpalumpacus - November 21, 2015 at 1:49 am
RE: Muslims - by Napoléon - November 22, 2015 at 6:00 am
RE: Muslims - by Thumpalumpacus - November 22, 2015 at 12:48 pm
RE: Muslims - by Napoléon - November 22, 2015 at 1:06 pm
RE: Muslims - by Thumpalumpacus - November 22, 2015 at 1:22 pm
RE: Muslims - by Napoléon - November 23, 2015 at 10:54 am
Muslims - by KUSA - November 21, 2015 at 2:03 am
RE: Muslims - by robvalue - November 21, 2015 at 5:25 am
RE: Muslims - by Dystopia - November 21, 2015 at 10:10 am
RE: Muslims - by Bob Kelso - November 21, 2015 at 6:55 am
RE: Muslims - by Homeless Nutter - November 21, 2015 at 7:14 am
RE: Muslims - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 21, 2015 at 3:29 pm
RE: Muslims - by robvalue - November 21, 2015 at 7:27 am
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2015 at 11:54 am
RE: Muslims - by ignoramus - November 21, 2015 at 8:32 am
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2015 at 12:00 pm
RE: Muslims - by KevinM1 - November 21, 2015 at 8:35 am
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2015 at 12:06 pm
RE: Muslims - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 21, 2015 at 3:49 pm
RE: Muslims - by KevinM1 - November 21, 2015 at 6:34 pm
RE: Muslims - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 21, 2015 at 3:35 pm
RE: Muslims - by robvalue - November 21, 2015 at 9:01 am
RE: Muslims - by Regina - November 21, 2015 at 9:07 am
RE: Muslims - by Napoléon - November 21, 2015 at 9:23 am
RE: Muslims - by robvalue - November 21, 2015 at 9:09 am
RE: Muslims - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 21, 2015 at 3:42 pm
RE: Muslims - by Regina - November 21, 2015 at 9:17 am
RE: Muslims - by Minimalist - November 21, 2015 at 11:59 am
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2015 at 12:14 pm
RE: Muslims - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 21, 2015 at 3:52 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2015 at 12:03 pm
RE: Muslims - by Dystopia - November 21, 2015 at 2:55 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2015 at 4:09 pm
RE: Muslims - by MysticKnight - November 21, 2015 at 4:25 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2015 at 4:42 pm
RE: Muslims - by Minimalist - November 21, 2015 at 12:23 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2015 at 12:36 pm
RE: Muslims - by Minimalist - November 21, 2015 at 12:39 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2015 at 1:07 pm
RE: Muslims - by Minimalist - November 21, 2015 at 2:02 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2015 at 2:23 pm
RE: Muslims - by Thumpalumpacus - November 21, 2015 at 3:09 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2015 at 4:12 pm
RE: Muslims - by Thumpalumpacus - November 22, 2015 at 12:36 pm
RE: Muslims - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 22, 2015 at 8:35 pm
RE: Muslims - by Thumpalumpacus - November 21, 2015 at 2:06 pm
RE: Muslims - by vorlon13 - November 21, 2015 at 2:22 pm
RE: Muslims - by Minimalist - November 21, 2015 at 2:37 pm
RE: Muslims - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 21, 2015 at 4:09 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2015 at 2:51 pm
RE: Muslims - by Minimalist - November 21, 2015 at 3:00 pm
RE: Muslims - by Minimalist - November 21, 2015 at 3:02 pm
RE: Muslims - by Minimalist - November 21, 2015 at 3:32 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2015 at 4:15 pm
RE: Muslims - by Minimalist - November 21, 2015 at 7:37 pm
RE: Muslims - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 21, 2015 at 11:06 pm
RE: Muslims - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 21, 2015 at 4:48 pm
RE: Muslims - by robvalue - November 21, 2015 at 3:41 pm
RE: Muslims - by downbeatplumb - November 22, 2015 at 1:02 pm
RE: Muslims - by MysticKnight - November 21, 2015 at 4:47 pm
RE: Muslims - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 21, 2015 at 5:23 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2015 at 6:05 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 21, 2015 at 6:56 pm
RE: Muslims - by Iroscato - November 21, 2015 at 8:26 pm
RE: Muslims - by Regina - November 21, 2015 at 11:19 pm
Muslims - by KUSA - November 21, 2015 at 8:47 pm
RE: Muslims - by Grandizer - November 22, 2015 at 12:04 am
RE: Muslims - by Minimalist - November 22, 2015 at 12:01 am
RE: Muslims - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 22, 2015 at 12:29 am
RE: Muslims - by ignoramus - November 22, 2015 at 2:00 am
RE: Muslims - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 22, 2015 at 4:14 am
RE: Muslims - by ignoramus - November 22, 2015 at 4:50 am
RE: Muslims - by robvalue - November 22, 2015 at 1:07 pm
RE: Muslims - by downbeatplumb - November 22, 2015 at 1:21 pm
RE: Muslims - by robvalue - November 22, 2015 at 1:24 pm
RE: Muslims - by Minimalist - November 22, 2015 at 1:25 pm
RE: Muslims - by Thumpalumpacus - November 22, 2015 at 1:53 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 22, 2015 at 9:31 pm
RE: Muslims - by Thumpalumpacus - November 22, 2015 at 10:13 pm
RE: Muslims - by ignoramus - November 22, 2015 at 10:19 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 22, 2015 at 10:21 pm
RE: Muslims - by dyresand - November 22, 2015 at 10:22 pm
RE: Muslims - by robvalue - November 22, 2015 at 11:12 pm
RE: Muslims - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 23, 2015 at 12:45 am
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 23, 2015 at 4:34 pm
RE: Muslims - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 23, 2015 at 10:35 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 23, 2015 at 11:01 pm
RE: Muslims - by Anomalocaris - November 24, 2015 at 12:35 am
RE: Muslims - by Minimalist - November 23, 2015 at 4:39 pm
RE: Muslims - by Minimalist - November 23, 2015 at 4:54 pm
RE: Muslims - by Dystopia - November 23, 2015 at 4:58 pm
RE: Muslims - by ignoramus - November 24, 2015 at 12:23 am
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 24, 2015 at 12:55 am
RE: Muslims - by Anomalocaris - November 24, 2015 at 1:01 am
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 24, 2015 at 1:03 am
RE: Muslims - by Thumpalumpacus - November 24, 2015 at 1:56 am
RE: Muslims - by Anomalocaris - November 24, 2015 at 7:48 am
RE: Muslims - by Thumpalumpacus - November 24, 2015 at 1:28 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 24, 2015 at 1:38 pm
RE: Muslims - by Thumpalumpacus - November 24, 2015 at 1:58 pm
RE: Muslims - by Catholic_Lady - November 24, 2015 at 1:14 am
RE: Muslims - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 24, 2015 at 1:21 am
RE: Muslims - by Anomalocaris - November 24, 2015 at 7:44 am
RE: Muslims - by ignoramus - November 24, 2015 at 1:26 am

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