(December 1, 2015 at 7:07 am)Judi Lynn Wrote:(November 30, 2015 at 5:13 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Your argument doesn't really matter to us God believers because part of believing in God is believing that He is a super natural being who, unlike us, has always existed.
Ahh yes.. this. While it's okay for many christers to take this stance, they practically insist on shoving those beliefs down our throats so much that they actually believe the following things:
The US Constitution was based on christian principles. I dare a christian to actually cite any single part of the Constitution that verifies this to be true.
That christianity has a rightful place within the US government. Wrong. We have separation of church and state for a reason.
That it is okay to discriminate against anyone who is not a christian.
That as soon as their views are challenged, many christians scream "persecution!!"
This sort of thinking is a huge part of what is wrong with this country.
Ok, but I don't think discussing the behavior of some Christians is really the topic at hand here lol. The OP asked if the "who created the creator" argument was a convincing argument for a theist. The answer is no, because believing that God has always existed is PART OF believing in God to begin with.
What I DO find to be a convincing arguments are more the practical things:
If God is perfect, and everything came from God and was made by God, then shouldn't everything be absolutely perfect, too?
If all things are sacred because all things came from God, does that include viruses and bacteria?
Why doesn't God make Himself known to us and speak to us in our everyday lives? Why the ambiguity/mystery?
Why isn't the bible more clear cut, straight forward, and easy to understand?
...Those are the hard questions that really get people thinking.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
-walsh
