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Have you ever asked a Christian this...?
April 8, 2017 at 8:22 pm
"Why hasn't Jesus returned yet? Doesn't he care about saving as many people as possible?"
As far as I know, Christianity is shrinking. The youth are abandoning the church at an exceedingly rapid rate. So the logic goes, wouldn't Jesus save more people and prevent more people from going to hell the sooner he returned?
Have you ever brought this up with a Christian? If so, how did they respond?
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RE: Have you ever asked a Christian this...?
April 8, 2017 at 8:35 pm
Some of them think he did come back. In 1914. As Kaiser Bill.
https://www.jashow.org/articles/false-te...of-christ/
Quote:Jehovah’s Witnesses have put a strange spin on the subject of the second coming of Jesus Christ. This was due to the failure of a prophecy by them that He was to return visibly in 1914 (updated once from 1874!). When Jesus did not show up on their date, they were forced to explain away the failure. They did this by seizing on a secondary meaning of one Greek word used in conjunction with Christ’s coming again. That word was parousia meaning “a being present, presence,” “a coming,” “an arrival.”
Aha! They had an “out”! They would teach that Jesus did “come” and was “present” on their date, 1914, but since He did this in heaven, those on earth could not see it! His coming was conveniently invisible!
Great hat, jesus.
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RE: Have you ever asked a Christian this...?
April 8, 2017 at 8:41 pm
They will pull the whole "he strikes like a thief in the night" line . Which strikes me like Indian food in the sense that it is shit.
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RE: Have you ever asked a Christian this...?
April 8, 2017 at 8:42 pm
OP: You're kidding right. Don't you know he's in office right now? You had best put your affairs in order.
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RE: Have you ever asked a Christian this...?
April 8, 2017 at 9:27 pm
(April 8, 2017 at 8:41 pm)Orochi Wrote: They will pull the whole "he strikes like a thief in the night" line . Which strikes me like Indian food in the sense that it is shit.
It's always that dodgy vindaloo that does one in...
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RE: Have you ever asked a Christian this...?
April 8, 2017 at 9:36 pm
I'm pretty sure Jesus/Jehova doesn't care about saving as many as possible. He admitted that the road to heaven was narrow, and not many would get in, but doesn't seem to go out of his way to improve the odds of people getting in. In fact the bible is really all about the failures of a god trying to make a world function the way he wants it to. It doesn't help that his plan A seems to be killing or threatening to kill the "unworthy", and he doesn't really have a plan B.
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RE: Have you ever asked a Christian this...?
April 8, 2017 at 9:50 pm
I try to speak to jesus freaks as little as possible. I always find it a depressing experience.
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RE: Have you ever asked a Christian this...?
April 8, 2017 at 10:07 pm
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(April 8, 2017 at 8:22 pm)Gimple Wrote: "Why hasn't Jesus returned yet? Doesn't he care about saving as many people as possible?"
As far as I know, Christianity is shrinking. The youth are abandoning the church at an exceedingly rapid rate. So the logic goes, wouldn't Jesus save more people and prevent more people from going to hell the sooner he returned?
Have you ever brought this up with a Christian? If so, how did they respond?
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No, as a matter of fact, He doesn't. Apostle Paul did, but not Jesus.
Jesus was sent by the Jewish God in fulfillment of Jewish Law and Jewish prophecy via being born to a Jewish virgin to the Jewish people so that He might preach a perfected version of Judaism and Jewish Law, assisted by 12 Jewish disciples, to the Jews of that era so that they might be better and more pious Jews than their Jewish leaders.
Apostle Paul probably exceeded his authority a bit when he decided he knew better than Jesus did and hijacked Jesus' perfected Jewish religion and made it all his own.
This era's 'Christians continue their proud 2000 year old tradition of rewriting Jesus as THEY see fit.
So your question to them is going to garner a bewildered look like you have been eating moldy potato salad . . . .
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RE: Have you ever asked a Christian this...?
April 8, 2017 at 10:16 pm
Indeed Jesus, like all past Prophets and Guides, is doing their best to spiritually help people to be guided and prepare people for the return of Jesus and Imam Mahdi, per my understanding.
I don't know how much Christians emphasize on the connection of Prophets with all people but they are spiritual guides in the unseen.
And they all call people to the Guide on earth who is meant to be the main leader and companion in the journey.
This is beyond stupid. All Prophets came so that the justice be implemented, and like Socrates and Plato rightly argued, you need a navigator who sees justice as is to guide the just city on course and all parts will come together through that Wise Captain who sees the light as it's meant to be.
Surely there is an awaited leader who will do that, and all religions believe in this.
Sunnis believe the Mahdi will be born, the Jews believe the Messiah will be born, etc....
All Prophets hence came to prepare for the final revelation and the final just city and implementation of God's light by a chosen king and leader.
Be the final revelation the gospel of Jesus or something else like the Quran or whatever, justice and the just city will happen on a world scale with a divine chosen navigator to steer us on course like talked about as a necessity for justice by Plato and Socrates for any just society, let alone a just world.
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RE: Have you ever asked a Christian this...?
April 8, 2017 at 11:21 pm
No, I've never asked a Christian that question. My queries to Christians are generally things like, 'Do you know what time the bookshop across the road opens?' and 'Can I get the dressing on the side, please?'.
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