(December 1, 2015 at 11:09 am)Judi Lynn Wrote:(December 1, 2015 at 10:27 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Ok, but I don't think discussing the behavior of some Christians is really the topic at hand here lol. The OP asked if the "who created the creator" argument was a convincing argument for a theist. The answer is no, because believing that God has always existed is PART OF believing in God to begin with.*bold mine*
What I DO find to be a convincing arguments are more the practical things:
If God is perfect, and everything came from God and was made by God, then shouldn't everything be absolutely perfect, too?
If all things are sacred because all things came from God, does that include viruses and bacteria?
Why doesn't God make Himself known to us and speak to us in our everyday lives? Why the ambiguity/mystery?
Why isn't the bible more clear cut, straight forward, and easy to understand?
...Those are the hard questions that really get people thinking.
You said:
Quote:Your argument doesn't really matter to us God believers because part of believing in God is believing that He is a super natural being who, unlike us, has always existed.
Don't you think that a belief is a behavior? If so, then the part of your quote that I bolded, makes no sense and has no relevancy. Furthermore, you go on to ask questions that have nothing to do, as you say, with the OP's question of who created the creator.
You can't argue that my questioning someone's behaviors aren't on topic when you did the same thing. I"ll put my responses to your questions below for reference so you get it.
1. Making the assumption that god is perfect doesn't answer the "who created the creator question".
2. This still doesn't answer the question about who created the creator.
3, 4 and 5 have nothing to do with the "who created the creator" question.
It would appear that you may feel that my questions aren't justified enough to be asked because they deal with behaviors of christians, which, not surprisingly, you don't want to address. But you seem to feel that YOUR questions carry more merit, when in reality, your questions don't address the OP either.
Let that marinate.
Hm? I guess I don't follow. Your first post to me seemed to go on a rant about Christians shoving their beliefs down people's throats. I didn't really see how that fit in with me answering the OP's question in regards to whether or not the "who created God argument" was convincing to a theist.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
-walsh