RE: Convert me if you can
January 5, 2011 at 6:07 pm
(This post was last modified: January 5, 2011 at 6:10 pm by DeistPaladin.)
Regens Küchl;113035 Wrote:Allah choose to clothe his final words into a tongue that would not need much translation. That is only logical and you cannot hold Allahs logical choice against Allahs religion.
Because it is an extremely precious book, people preserved the Quran in his original words as they did for example with the works of Shakespeare.
Once again, I won't attribute to God what can be easily explained by human efforts.
Quote:I do not speak for Christianity, I speak for Islam. You come along, you tell me that the christians got it wrong in so many ways (which is true) and present that to me as an argument against Islam.
No, this is Islam's claim. In real life, I think both have it wrong but that's not what I'm role-playing. In this exercise, I'm assuming one got it right. The Christians say their eye-witnesses who founded the Church knew Jesus. The Muslims cite some guy several centuries later who only heard about Jesus from the Christians and they say he got it right and the very Christians who told him about Jesus were wrong.
Quote:As you like it. But is he responsible for every error people make in his name after he is dead and gone.
And you will grant that Paul preached after Jesus lifetime.
Yes. If Jesus had been more clear or written anything down, it might not have happened.
Quote:Here is an example : Do you hold Charles Darwin responsible for modern racism?
Modern racism is built on Darwin's findings? I wasn't aware. I seem to remember studying Hitler's speeches and how they referenced his Biblical duty to "the Lord" and that he rejected Darwin. I seem to remember studying the radical right wing in America and how intertwined their thinking is with religion. I seem to remember that evolution reveals that we all have common ancestry from Africa, that the only difference is skin pigmentation caused by long term exposure to direct sunlight. Obviously, I'm mistaken.
Quote:I doubt that the Holy Spirit hands you a divine book wherein you can read the thuth black on white.
According to some Christian claims, yes.
DeistPaladin Wrote:It makes the difference nonetheless.Quote:At last once muslims were settled they were more tolerant than xians.
That's a low bar.
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Does it mean that Muslims were or are tolerant of religious difference or apostasy? If not, than no, it doesn't.
GodIsNotGreat Wrote:Muslim reasons would be:
1. Islam is more monotheistic. The Christian trinity is polytheistic, they associate partners with God.
2. The poetic beauty of the Qur'an being proof of divine origin.
3. The most common method of Muslim brainwashing nowadays is the scientific miracles of the Qur'an. They're incredibly deceptive and a lot of Muslims use them to rationalise their belief.
4. They also whitewash Islamic history, glorifying Mohammed and explain away the nastier verses of the Qur'an.
Only the third one would be worthy of any examination. The first is based on a false assumption (monotheism = true), the second is an appeal to art, and the fourth is a non-sequitur.
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"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
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"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist