US murder rate close to historic lows.

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Eventually you guys will wear me out by doing the same thing over and over again. The statistic there isn't a per capita murder rate (it's the same old 'gun deaths' stat and doesn't show that the gun ban in Australia reduced the per capita murder rate. I'm very open to the idea that it does, but use of this faulty stat just doesn't make the case. All it makes the case for is that people switch to different means for murder.

You're suffering from a loss of big flick casualty. The problem that is being addressed is gun deaths, specifically mass shootings of the type experienced yesterday. Your obsession with per-capita murder rate is a red hearing. I am not making a case that stricter gun control will reduce per-capita murder rates. I am making the case that stricter gun control will reduce gun related deaths. You're the one bleating on about per-capita murder, not me.

What? Why are gun related deaths worse than any other deaths?? If it doesn't reduce the murder rate, what's the point? I can't ever understand the logic behind this. Say there are 1000 people killed, 90% with guns. You ban guns and the next year 1000 people are killed, 90% with knives. The gun-deaths has gone down 90% but the same number of people can be killed. I keep 'bleating' about the per capita murder rate because it's the only relevant stat.