US murder rate close to historic lows.

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What? Why are gun related deaths worse than any other deaths?? If it doesn't reduce the murder rate, what's the point? I can't ever understand the logic behind this. Say there are 1000 people killed, 90% with guns. You ban guns and the next year 1000 people are killed, 90% with knives. The gun-deaths has gone down 90% but the same number of people can be killed. I keep 'bleating' about the per capita murder rate because it's the only relevant stat.

If I had a magic button that instantly made all guns in the U.S. immediately disappear you are going to maintain the position that the murder rate will remain static?

I'm just  saying that the murder rate is the relevant statistic, not gun deaths. That's all I'm saying. I'm trying to build these threads into a more honest discussion. Also we do have the good example of UK gun deaths going up after their gun laws went into place, although that likely has other causes and I don't want to derail this discussion any more. Do you at least get my point about the per capita murder rate being the relevant stat?