(December 3, 2015 at 1:39 pm)orangebox21 Wrote: Claiming that "life can be reverse engineered in a lab by intelligent beings" is not proof that these processes took place in exactly the same way without intelligent interference millions of years ago. I would argue the contrary. Given that we have not observed these processes taking place apart from human reproduction in a lab, if it takes intelligence now, why not conclude it took intelligence then? This would be a more consistent conclusion.
You're confusing engineering with reverse-engineering. We don't build the life, strand by strand and molecule, like some kind of microscopic bricklayer. What we do in the labs is recreate the conditions which allows for the natural process to occur as it did when earth's conditions were like the scientist has recreated in the glass. The processes follow from that.
In other words, it doesn't take intelligence, then or now. All it takes is the right environment for the chemistry to occur, and the intelligence is simply in recreating what was once the earth, prior to the changes living creatures and more water/cooling wrought upon it.
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