RE: Your opinions, please
December 12, 2015 at 2:13 am
(This post was last modified: December 12, 2015 at 2:19 am by Thumpalumpacus.)
I didn't block you. We talked for a week after your false accusation. Indeed, one of the reasons you were so angry at my refusing your congratulations is that you told me I was speaking normally to you for a week before I refused your congratulations -- you were surprised. Now, obviously we cannot both be communicating and not communicating.
Secondly, too often any apology you make has to be brought about by an argument, as you reject out of hand complaints about your own behavior. And this was certainly one of those times. A simple "I suppose I had it wrong, congrats on your sobriety" would have been welcomed.
Thirdly, it was one month sober, not two weeks; I quit drinking on 16 October, made my post at MLP on 16 November, and you sent your "congrats" on the 17th.
As for going "full blast", here's the exact exchange:
I think my point was put across as politely as possible. It certainly wasn't "full blast". This isn't the first time I've had to start the argument in order to have my views heard at all.
As for forgiveness, I have forgiven you for saying that shit back in July. I've asked your forgiveness for things too. I haven't really received it, at least not to hear you tell it to me. You say it in this thread ... but even your false accusation is itself a sign of forgiveness withheld. I lied to you. I have acknowledged that to you personally before, and now do so publically. And I know that you will still not trust me ... you will always distrust me. I know this now. I can't honestly expect you to forget my deceit, but I should be able to be free of false accusations coming from someone who promised to support me in my endeavor.
I will always love you, but I don't think I made you very happy at all. It doesn't matter any more, anyway. You've said goodbye, and I'm having a cold beer and watching the world fall away.
Secondly, too often any apology you make has to be brought about by an argument, as you reject out of hand complaints about your own behavior. And this was certainly one of those times. A simple "I suppose I had it wrong, congrats on your sobriety" would have been welcomed.
Thirdly, it was one month sober, not two weeks; I quit drinking on 16 October, made my post at MLP on 16 November, and you sent your "congrats" on the 17th.
As for going "full blast", here's the exact exchange:
Harmzeedy Wrote:Well done on your sobriety.
Thump Wrote:You accused me otherwise not too long back, and when I protested you redoubled your accusation of deceit. Under these circumstances, your words, kind though they may be, ring hollow. Forgive my stiff backbone, but I don't take slaps lightly.
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No reply, hmm? Fair enough.
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Still no answer. I'm left to assume that your pride is more important than our friendship.
Harmzeedy Wrote:If you cannot say something nice then I'd rather you say nothing at all.
Thump Wrote:I'm speaking the truth to you, but if you'd rather not address the issue, that's fine. My feelings about this are honest and deserve consideration, but apparently you don't care enough about them to discuss this issue.
I would have been fine had you acknowledged the wrongness of your false accusations. That you didn't tells me that you will level them as you wish and will not acknowledge nor apologize when you treat me wrongly.
Thank you for reading this. I will now leave you alone. Goodbye.
I think my point was put across as politely as possible. It certainly wasn't "full blast". This isn't the first time I've had to start the argument in order to have my views heard at all.
As for forgiveness, I have forgiven you for saying that shit back in July. I've asked your forgiveness for things too. I haven't really received it, at least not to hear you tell it to me. You say it in this thread ... but even your false accusation is itself a sign of forgiveness withheld. I lied to you. I have acknowledged that to you personally before, and now do so publically. And I know that you will still not trust me ... you will always distrust me. I know this now. I can't honestly expect you to forget my deceit, but I should be able to be free of false accusations coming from someone who promised to support me in my endeavor.
I will always love you, but I don't think I made you very happy at all. It doesn't matter any more, anyway. You've said goodbye, and I'm having a cold beer and watching the world fall away.
