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Trinity?
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RE: Trinity?
Godschild Wrote:my statement is based on the OT prophecies.

Chapter and verse please?

Quote:John may very well had a following for a time after Jesus but that does not make him a Messiah and he did denounce the idea of himself as the Messiah.

So how come his followers kept following him, then? If he pointed to Jesus, why didn't his followers do as he said and follow Jesus? Or does it make more sense to conclude that the Gospel accounts are Christian propaganda to portray the Mandean messiah as bowing before the Christian one?

As Judge Judy once said, "Your story doesn't make sense and when something doesn't make sense, it's probably a lie."

Quote:John ...was put to death for what he believed.

According to both your Bible and actual historical records, JtB was put to death for speaking out against Herod Antipas.

Quote:Luke 3:19 But Herod the tetrarch, being reproved by him for Herodias his brother Philip's wife, and for all the evils which Herod had done, Added yet this above all, that he shut up John in prison.

Quote:Jesus was not doing miracles in the way the Jewish preist thought was proper for a Messiah, this is why they rejected Him,

Again, your story doesn't make sense. According to the Bible, the Jews hated Jesus with such intensity that they conspired on Passover Eve. According to the Bible, Jesus performed great magic. And yet, these same Jewish priests had not one word to write about him for centuries? Not a word about how their chief prosecutor Saul one day went rogue and joined their ranks? They witnessed miracle after miracle and said, "meh"?

Quote:The above verses (Deuteronomy 13) have only to do with prophets not the Messiah

According to the Gospels, the Jews certainly didn't think so and, by OT, they did what they were supposed to, as commanded by the OT.

Quote:The christian faith only claims one God period.

But you said they were three separate persons. Yet one god. Yet three separate beings. Yet combined into one. Yet you pray to Jesus to be the bridge to God. Yet he IS God. Yet he's separate as a being. Yet...

Quote:YHWH the unspeakable name of God according to the Jewish people.

Zeus, Odin and Ra are much cooler names.

Just say them in that order: ZEUS! ODIN! RA! ...yahweh.

Poor god probably got beat up all the time as a kid in god school and had all his ambrosia money stolen. It conjures an image of little Yahweh hanging by his underwear from a flagpole while the bigger god kids are laughing at him.

Blinking back tears, he shakes his fist and says, "You bullies will be sorry. One day, I'm going to be the most powerful god on the planet. In fact, I'll be the only one left. People won't know me by my squeeky name but will just call me 'GOD'. I'll persecute all your pitiful religions out of existence. You'll see!"

This trauma gave little Yahweh the determination to succeed and build his religious empire. It also gave him that nasty temper. This is why he needs every mortal to sing his praises and validate him. He's so insecure despite all his power that he's accumulated. Deep down, behind his cruel, temperamental, bloodthirsty exterior, he's still that wounded little godling that just needs a hug and a chance to heal. It's a tragic and touching story ...except for all that mahem and bloodshed done under his orders.

Quote:This does not mean the Father abandoned the Son, He raised Him from death on the third day. This verse means, as the sins of the entire world past, present and future were poured upon Christ the Father could not look upon Him or relieve His suffering from that great burden.

So Jesus, being part of the same god, wasn't aware of what the other part of the same god was up to and thought that the father part of himself had abandoned his part?

Is this an example of left hand not knowing what right hand is up to?
Atheist Forums Hall of Shame:
"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
...      -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
...       -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist
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Trinity? - by muhtesem insan - January 11, 2011 at 7:33 am
RE: Trinity? - by Justtristo - January 11, 2011 at 7:48 am
RE: Trinity? - by muhtesem insan - January 11, 2011 at 8:05 am
RE: Trinity? - by Zen Badger - January 11, 2011 at 7:54 am
RE: Trinity? - by Relayer - January 11, 2011 at 8:34 am
RE: Trinity? - by muhtesem insan - January 11, 2011 at 8:43 am
RE: Trinity? - by Relayer - January 11, 2011 at 8:45 am
RE: Trinity? - by Justtristo - January 12, 2011 at 8:18 am
RE: Trinity? - by DeistPaladin - January 12, 2011 at 10:26 am
RE: Trinity? - by Godschild - January 12, 2011 at 4:54 pm
RE: Trinity? - by DeistPaladin - January 12, 2011 at 5:49 pm
RE: Trinity? - by thesummerqueen - January 12, 2011 at 5:52 pm
RE: Trinity? - by muhtesem insan - January 13, 2011 at 9:34 am
RE: Trinity? - by Edwardo Piet - January 13, 2011 at 9:47 am
RE: Trinity? - by muhtesem insan - January 13, 2011 at 9:59 am
RE: Trinity? - by Edwardo Piet - January 11, 2011 at 8:47 am
RE: Trinity? - by downbeatplumb - January 11, 2011 at 3:52 pm
RE: Trinity? - by Edwardo Piet - January 12, 2011 at 7:51 am
RE: Trinity? - by KichigaiNeko - January 11, 2011 at 11:14 am
RE: Trinity? - by Autumnlicious - January 11, 2011 at 3:48 pm
RE: Trinity? - by Minimalist - January 11, 2011 at 4:40 pm
RE: Trinity? - by DeistPaladin - January 11, 2011 at 6:44 pm
RE: Trinity? - by Godschild - January 12, 2011 at 1:00 am
RE: Trinity? - by thesummerqueen - January 11, 2011 at 7:32 pm
RE: Trinity? - by Ashendant - January 11, 2011 at 11:00 pm
RE: Trinity? - by thesummerqueen - January 12, 2011 at 12:04 am
RE: Trinity? - by Ashendant - January 12, 2011 at 10:35 pm
RE: Trinity? - by Minimalist - January 12, 2011 at 12:19 am
RE: Trinity? - by padraic - January 12, 2011 at 1:45 am
RE: Trinity? - by Godschild - January 12, 2011 at 3:31 pm
RE: Trinity? - by downbeatplumb - January 12, 2011 at 3:35 pm
RE: Trinity? - by DeistPaladin - January 12, 2011 at 4:03 pm
RE: Trinity? - by Edwardo Piet - January 13, 2011 at 9:31 am
RE: Trinity? - by Minimalist - January 12, 2011 at 1:59 am
RE: Trinity? - by muhtesem insan - January 12, 2011 at 4:49 am
RE: Trinity? - by Minimalist - January 12, 2011 at 3:39 pm
RE: Trinity? - by downbeatplumb - January 12, 2011 at 3:42 pm
RE: Trinity? - by Darwinian - January 13, 2011 at 1:23 pm
RE: Trinity? - by DeistPaladin - January 13, 2011 at 1:47 pm
RE: Trinity? - by Minimalist - January 13, 2011 at 4:01 pm
RE: Trinity? - by thesummerqueen - January 13, 2011 at 4:17 pm
RE: Trinity? - by downbeatplumb - January 13, 2011 at 5:28 pm
RE: Trinity? - by Edwardo Piet - January 14, 2011 at 5:52 am
RE: Trinity? - by thesummerqueen - January 14, 2011 at 9:24 am
RE: Trinity? - by thesummerqueen - January 12, 2011 at 3:44 pm
RE: Trinity? - by DeistPaladin - January 12, 2011 at 3:59 pm
RE: Trinity? - by Minimalist - January 12, 2011 at 4:05 pm
RE: Trinity? - by downbeatplumb - January 12, 2011 at 4:00 pm
RE: Trinity? - by DeistPaladin - January 12, 2011 at 4:06 pm
RE: Trinity? - by thesummerqueen - January 12, 2011 at 4:57 pm
RE: Trinity? - by Edwardo Piet - January 13, 2011 at 10:00 am
RE: Trinity? - by muhtesem insan - January 13, 2011 at 10:07 am
RE: Trinity? - by Edwardo Piet - January 13, 2011 at 10:24 am
RE: Trinity? - by muhtesem insan - January 13, 2011 at 10:30 am
RE: Trinity? - by Edwardo Piet - January 13, 2011 at 10:30 am
RE: Trinity? - by thesummerqueen - January 13, 2011 at 10:33 am
RE: Trinity? - by Edwardo Piet - January 13, 2011 at 10:43 am
RE: Trinity? - by thesummerqueen - January 13, 2011 at 10:46 am
RE: Trinity? - by Ashendant - January 13, 2011 at 1:11 pm
RE: Trinity? - by Darwinian - January 13, 2011 at 1:53 pm
RE: Trinity? - by Edwardo Piet - January 16, 2011 at 4:42 am
RE: Trinity? - by Minimalist - January 17, 2011 at 8:13 pm
RE: Trinity? - by thesummerqueen - January 17, 2011 at 9:34 pm
RE: Trinity? - by Minimalist - January 17, 2011 at 10:42 pm
RE: Trinity? - by thesummerqueen - January 18, 2011 at 12:55 am

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