RE: Yes, Atheism is a Religion
December 16, 2015 at 12:24 am
(This post was last modified: December 16, 2015 at 12:24 am by Cato.)
(December 15, 2015 at 11:20 pm)Delicate Wrote:(December 15, 2015 at 8:58 pm)Cato Wrote: I most certainly did not poison the well. You insisting that I did betrays yet another topic you know fuck all about. If I had said Plantinga is full of shit because he wears his underwear backwards or snorts ground pepper, that would be poisoning the well. Identifying his well known position as an ID supporter is very much germane to the conversation. In addition I told you that it was his penchant for throwing out well worn and well refuted arguments that was at issue.
These arguments are concocted with god in mind and do nothing more than create a placeholder to solve non-existent problems. WLC and Plantinga gleefully fill the placeholder with their notion of god. The primary reason these arguments fail is because the placeholder is always characterized with certain attributes, attributes already arbitrarily assigned to god so many of these arguments are simply begging the question. God can only be presumed to have said attributes because there is no observation of god and therefore no observation of god possessing said attributes.
It's a ruse.
Apparently you don't even know what fallacies mean.
Not to mention Plantinga being an ID supporter has no bearing on what he says in the paper.
Not to mention Plantinga is not an ID supporter:
Quote:Like any Christian (and indeed any theist), I believe that the world has been created by God, and hence “intelligently designed.” The hallmark of intelligent design, however, is the claim that this can be shown scientifically; I’m dubious about that.
Not to mention bald assertions without substantiation are worthless.
It didn't take long to find where you poached your quote without attribution (Wiki). Curious, why did you neglect to omit the preceding paragraphs?
Quote:In the past, Plantinga has lent support to the intelligent design movement.[51] He was a member of the 'Ad Hoc Origins Committee' that supported Philip E. Johnson's 1991 book Darwin on Trial against palaeontologist Stephen Jay Gould's high-profile scathing review in Scientific American in 1992.[52][53] Plantinga also provided a back-cover endorsement of Johnson's book.[54] He was a Fellow of the (now moribund) pro-intelligent design International Society for Complexity, Information, and Design,[55] and has presented at a number of intelligent design conferences.[56]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alvin_Plantinga
In a March 2010 article in The Chronicle of Higher Education, philosopher of science Michael Ruse labeled Plantinga as an "open enthusiast of intelligent design".[57] In a letter to the editor, Plantinga made the following response:
The more curious omission was the continuation of Plantinga's rebuttal in which he is clearly adopts the ID position of accepting evolution, but claiming it is divinely guided:
Quote:...As far as I can see, God certainly could have used Darwinian processes to create the living world and direct it as he wanted to go; hence evolution as such does not imply that there is no direction in the history of life. What does have that implication is not evolutionary theory itself, but unguided evolution, the idea that neither God nor any other person has taken a hand in guiding, directing or orchestrating the course of evolution. But the scientific theory of evolution, sensibly enough, says nothing one way or the other about divine guidance. It doesn't say that evolution is divinely guided; it also doesn't say that it isn't. Like almost any theist, I reject unguided evolution; but the contemporary scientific theory of evolution just as such—apart from philosophical or theological add-ons—doesn't say that evolution is unguided. Like science in general, it makes no pronouncements on the existence or activity of God.
Here's an article penned by Plantinga himself criticizing the decision in the Dover trial; i.e., supporting ID:
http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/902/
Yet again, you are simply wrong; although, you have seemingly added insufferably disingenuous to your CV.