RE: Best Living Spokesman for Atheism
December 20, 2015 at 7:22 pm
(This post was last modified: December 20, 2015 at 7:33 pm by athrock.)
(December 19, 2015 at 8:46 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote:(December 19, 2015 at 7:34 pm)athrock Wrote: By happy coincidence, I did come across this interesting article which discusses the "followers" of Dawkins:
The bizarre – and costly – cult of Richard Dawkins
It’s like a church without the good bits. Membership starts from $85 a month
Andrew Brown
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2014/08/the-bizarre-and-costly-cult-of-richard-dawkins/
In the article, Brown writes:
So, while I want to be clear that I did not claim that you or anyone else "follow" Dawkins, it seems that such atheists do exist. In which case one might ask: Are they still technically freethinkers?
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You know that Brown is a religion writer, right? That what he does, professionally, is advocate on behalf of Christianity and against "weird" religions, in an attempt to sell copy for The Spectator, right? He was also former Religion Section Editor for The Guardian.
Yes. I did know that. So what? Are you going to commit a fallacy by ignoring the truth of what Brown has to say because he plays for the other side?
The point of this is that while YOU may not be a fanboy of Dawkins (again, which I never claimed), clearly a LOT of folks are.
Rocket, you are a piece of work.
Quote:Regardless of how he has (or hasn't) skewed his coverage of that event and the weirdos/fanboys who attended it, you're still missing the fucking point. Still! So let me spell it out for you one last time, and then I'm done with you:
I. Don't. Give. A. Flying. FUCK. What. Richard. Dawkins. Says. Or. Does. Neither do most of us.
So is that the best you can do? Pointing out that Dr. Dawkins (the author) has some fanboys is hardly surprising. How many times a week do you think JK Rowling hears the phrase "Your books changed my life!" from some eager fanboy/girl?
But by comparison, right-quick, why don't you look to see what similar authors charge, for speeches and for being able to be around them, without being called "cults" or cult-leaders or any of the other things that Religion Writer Brown wants to attach to Dr. Dawkins because of his hatred for atheists?
I should have posted this before. From the article:
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(December 19, 2015 at 9:24 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote: To begin with, your little poll is insultingly trollish - that you want to establish credibility to your devious fallacy that atheists are religious followers couldn't be more obvious!
On the other hand, every single social movement in human culture has its leaders, religious or not. I won't pretend otherwise, nor will I deny that I happen to have very high respect for Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennet, and others who are not on your list because your prior research is so pitifully weak. No religious proposition here.
It does so happen that I particularly respect Dawkins and Dennett because they were the first to point out to me the best reasons why I no longer concern myself with religious ideas.
Dawkins in particular has been the most public in confronting theists with what they fear the most in vocal atheism, which is why their hatred (your hatred, and don't think you can fool us on that) has been so visceral. Because he's been so good at this, others under the umbrella of atheism (not pure atheism, but associated ideologies which are loosely associated) envy him, and they hunt him too. I said he's as good as I've seen, or maybe he's just more active at it than most, but hardly the best that I can imagine. If the median-level guys in the Xtian apologist talent pool came over to the atheists side, then Dawkins would have respectable competition - not that we really want quick-witted rhetoric over ethically-observed facts.
Therefore it's no surprise at all to see those who get paid for writing the sort of porn which Christians masturbate to are promoting rumors and outright lies on one of the most dangerous public figures which Xtianity has ever been confronted by.
Doesn't it just burn your ass real good to know that Dawkins himself is just a man, and that not even atheists like me find him infallible in everything he's ever said? Wouldn't it be so much easier for you if you could convince the whole world that he really is the anti-christ, who will rule the entire world and force everyone to wear his (Christard-imagined) 666! Don't you just wish that if you keep on adding more insult to insult, that we would all just melt like ether into the thin air, like the witch before Dorothy in the Wizard of Id Oz?
Too bad for you, Christian Troll! What a sad waste of a life it is to spend it all waiting for that "POOF" which never happens!
(December 20, 2015 at 5:18 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: Another thread trying to drag us down to their level is all I see here.
Wow.
I was simply curious as to who the gang here considered to be the best...you know...if you had to put one person up against William Lane Craig or some other apologists.
Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn as to the outcome of the poll.
