(December 30, 2015 at 9:21 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:(December 30, 2015 at 8:35 pm)excitedpenguin Wrote: I agree that atheists tend to overuse these sorts of arguments with people who either can't grasp them or don't care to and thus poison the conversation for nothing. Theists are people, first and foremost, not philosophy minors who need their fallacies pointed out. You need to establish a common ground first, and then make them see for themselves why their arguments are not solid, if they aren't.
As long as it is pointed out why their argument is fallacious, and why it invalidates their argument, I see no problem pointing them out as soon as they are used.
I agree, common ground has to be established. And the most fundamental common ground is for all arguments being used to be valid and sound.
As far as I'm concerned, pointing out fallacies, and explaining why they are, will make the theist a better debater.
It's not our fault that the arguments used by theists are fallacious.
If you're looking for a debate, maybe. If you're looking to help them out though, not so much. Would you rather live in a more rational world or not? If you do, that's not always how you go about it.
