(January 1, 2016 at 12:50 pm)wallym Wrote:(January 1, 2016 at 3:10 am)MysticKnight Wrote: Wallym.
You believe the nature of the universe is purely material and as such reject any chance of objective value/praise/etc.
But if you give the chance that the nature of the universe was magical or there was a magical creator or that there was a spiritual reality to us, do you believe objective value is then possible?
If you assume the latter, you know an essential feature about it. That it must be magical/spiritual for example.
Even if you don't assume the latter, if you know objective value cannot be true in a purely naturalism world (ie. no supernatural), you know an essential feature about it.
That it cannot be true or real in a purely naturalism world.
Why do you think you are so certain of this property of objective value?
You're asking me to try and reason on an idea that I can not fathom in a reality that I can not fathom.
Let's replace the idea of objective value with 1+1=3.
Could you know anything about a universe in which 1+1=3? Can you even begin to understand how 1+1 could ever = 3?
A property of 1+1=3 I am certain of, is that it doesn't exist in a purely naturalism world.
I think you are mislabeling not existing in purely naturalism as an example of essential knowledge, by incorrectly thinking it implies existing in not purely naturalism. But we know nothing of the non-naturalist world so we have no way of knowing if objective value could exist there, or if even if the non-naturalist world could exist as we have no essential knowledge of that either. They are both 1+1=3.
That is a strange example. Sure, a plus operation such that 1+1=3 can be constructed, but it does not fulfil certain properties that one would like a plus operation to have. I'm not sure what your point is.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition
