(January 10, 2016 at 11:35 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote:(January 10, 2016 at 8:32 pm)MTL Wrote: And I'm not sure how many times I have to repeat that I lament my inadequate, poorly-phrased comment.
The ironic part is that I do not consider myself a feminist, per se, at all;
Of course I think everyone deserves equality,
but I have shrunk from labeling myself as a Feminist
because I'm saddened by how much male-bashing I've seen in their ranks;
and, if anything, I am somewhat sympathetic to the Anti-Misandry Movement
because I feel bad for fathers and other men who have been wrongly accused
by vicious women who made false claims of abuse.
There are both good women...and man-haters...in the ranks of the Feminist movement;
and likewise,
there are both good men...and misogynists...in the ranks of the MRM.
Yet, unlike you, LemonVariable, I am a female,
and have usually just sucked it up whenever I've encountered chauvinism or misogyny in my life,
BECAUSE I don't like to sound like a victim.
You seemed to fixate on "women on TV" for some reason,
which I only mentioned as a passing example;
and also on domestic abuse,
which I didn't mention at all;
(However: it is ludicrous to me that you think women are paid equally to men in most professions,
and you claim that fact has been debunked...I don't know what you've been reading,
but it's the opposite of what I've been reading, and the opposite of my experience,
and of the experience reported by many women of my acquaintance).
Overall, I hear you doubling-down and replying with very heated vitriol against feminism,
you seem reluctant to acknowledge ANY validity to that cause or their claims,
indeed, you seem prepared to lay blame on that cause for much harm.
so, okay....I've really touched a nerve here.
I'm really really regretting that I so carelessly posted and raised so much ire in you,
but I've tried to clarify my statements and take accountability for the faults in them;
but in reply, you've only doubled-down:
you seem determined to only see the downside of Feminism,
and equally determined to only see me one way, as well.
Fine. I know where you stand, now.
I apologized for the wrong in what I said;
But I'm not going to back down on my good points
because you're angry at Feminism.
Especially since I don't even consider it as "my" cause, per se.
It sounds like once I've offended you, there is no going back.
So be it.
I apologize for getting a little fiery. However most of what you raised as good points of feminism are Tired talking points that have been debunked several times, I even linked an article from time magazine written by a feminist that explains why and how. This has nothing to do with how I see you, I see you the same way I saw you before. But yes I have a poor of modern feminism (third wave), but they have good points IE. Abortion should be legal, access to birth control, breast cancer and ovarian cancer research, breaking down gender roles.
The I have a poor veiw of modern feminism is the repetition of debunked points, and I think we pretty much agree on the rest, though I may add one thing. That is how many femenists with followings avoid debate like its the plague.
But yeah I can totally understand if your tired and shit the wrong way, it happens
we can agree to disagree on certain points.
so okay then. moving on.