I always like to get into the "reward-incentive" subject when debating theists because somewhere inside them, I think they all realize that the motivation for eternal life is fundamentally greedy and selfish. No creationist ever has a reasonable rebuttal for this. They can only spout off some bull shit about Jesus "atoning for our sins," thus giving humanity a chance at Heaven. And then it really gets interesting when I tell them how Christianity is the most popular religion because it's the most CONVENIENT. What could be simpler? Live how you want, just believe, and YOU'RE IN!!! (What a fucking joke!) I get blasted on my blog all the time for bringing up examples like Ghandi going to Hell, but the Son of Sam serial killer "repenting" thus deserving Heaven. Anyway, regarding the initial post about the "Four proofs," I don't even think I have to comment about how illogical it is to say that "nothing can come from nothing," yet say that God just "always" existed. Creationists just love letting God "off the hook."
"Faith: not wanting to know what is true."
-Friedrich Nietzsche
-Friedrich Nietzsche