(January 23, 2016 at 7:27 pm)Pandæmonium Wrote:(January 23, 2016 at 5:29 pm)phil-lndn Wrote: Simple - because it's not optional. There are billions of pre-rational religious people on the planet.
Unless we are going to somehow wipe out around 2/3rds of the planet's population, we are going to have to find a way to live with them peacefully.
We already live successfully with lots of primitive dangerous beings. Crocodiles, lions etc. The key to living successfully with dangerous organisms without living in fear is to understand them.
So your options are give up values of the 'enlightenment' (I am still curious to know what exactly about it are obsolete) or kill? I am in no way advocating murder, that is ludicrous.
It must be noted that we do already live in relative peace. We are in fact in one of the most peaceful periods of humanity's history.
The clash of civilisations is a disproven theory if by nothing else than the fact that most conflicts are, by Huntingdon's thesis and definition, intra-civilisational. I would recommend further reading by instrumentalists and de-constructivists on the thesis.Fukuyama's last man is a good start, though I don't necessarily advocate the conclusions.
It seems like your proposal is to capitulate to the distinctly backwards and intolerant ideologies that persist and fester in areas of the world still 'to get along'. Your proposal is not one I would adopt. Rather, just more of what we already do. Develop, advance, evolve.
A further question. Do you give more, less, or equal credence to the un-evidenced hypothesis of universe creation or the null-hypothesis?
I am not advocating giving up the values of the enlightenment, I am advocating transcending but including these values into a new more powerful perspective that's able to understand much much more deeply.
Regarding what is obsolete, I covered in a previous post (posted with a chart of developmental levels)
And no, my proposal is not to capitulate.
People from more primitive worldviews have very different values and value systems to people from the rational worldview. It's essential to know what these values are, if a world is to be created where different developmental worldviews are able to live together peacefully. With an understanding of the different value systems, I think it may be possible to create such a world.
It's getting a bit off the topic for this thread, but if you look at the world through a lens of developmental psychology, it's possible to make the argument that many if not most of the wars and fighting on the planet at the present time are clashes between different worldview value systems. If so, understanding those value systems will be a requirement to end the wars.
Universe creation: I'm not interested in any hypothesis that lacks evidence.
