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Existence of Jesus
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RE: Existence of Jesus
(March 14, 2009 at 10:47 am)chatpilot Wrote: There is no evidence of the existence of Jesus outside of the gospels.And in my opinion the gospels are not a reliable source of information since I think that Jesus is a fabricated myth perpetuated by the church.The so called secular documents that mention Jesus are few and far between and when they do mention him it's after the fact in most cases and very brief there is nothing extraordinary stated about him.Also,most scholars believe that those documents in which Jesus is mentioned are later additions to the original documents beleived to have been put there by someone other than the original author of the documents.

If anyone is interested in learning about the secular documents regarding the existence of Jesus Earl Doherty's site is great for this and breaks it down nicely,here is the link:

http://www.jesuspuzzle.com/

The jesuspuzzle I read seems to be written in a much modern-historical style with an abundance of quotations,but finaly I remained no less puzzled than at the beginning.
What puzzled me always about the Gospel was the language of original hebrew or greek or arameic writings.The final official language must have been greek but the problem is that if there were original texts such as the quoted Q source, then analyzing the language of them would have the possibility of shedding much light on their history.
The names of Jesus,of Maria ,of Mathew and of others are most certainly translation of Old testament names indicating in my opinion that the events took place in Judeea at a period characterised by the decay of the Hasmonean dinasty when Helenism took over of the lifes of common people which brought to conversion of names from Hebrew to Greek. Helenism brought perhaps well being to the Jews but it eroded their ancient religion practices,among it perhaps the most sacred practice of circumcision. The roman conquest of Judeea at 60 B.C might have also plunged the Jews in the seeking of new Saviours against the mythical Messiah who had failed them.
In conclusion what I'm saying is that a differential study of hebrew/arameic/greek languages of the ancient texts of the Gospel is necessary ,without it a deep understanding of what really happened is practically impossible.In the jesuspuzzle work I have not seen any sign of such an approach.
In my previous reply I have presented as an example the misunderstanding of the translation between the word "ben=son " and it's possible missinterpretations.
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Existence of Jesus - by WWLD - January 11, 2009 at 8:43 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by lukec - January 12, 2009 at 3:10 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Kyuuketsuki - January 12, 2009 at 6:07 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Edwardo Piet - January 12, 2009 at 12:25 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by DD_8630 - January 13, 2009 at 6:19 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by CoxRox - January 13, 2009 at 7:43 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by DD_8630 - January 13, 2009 at 9:20 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Edwardo Piet - January 19, 2009 at 8:07 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by DD_8630 - January 19, 2009 at 2:05 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Edwardo Piet - February 16, 2009 at 9:51 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by bozo - January 12, 2009 at 3:30 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Giff - January 13, 2009 at 9:17 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by WWLD - January 13, 2009 at 8:16 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by lukec - January 14, 2009 at 5:04 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by WWLD - January 19, 2009 at 12:36 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by chatpilot - January 20, 2009 at 7:35 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Giff - January 31, 2009 at 9:12 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by chatpilot - January 31, 2009 at 3:33 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Giff - February 1, 2009 at 9:23 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by chatpilot - February 1, 2009 at 12:48 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by chatpilot - February 1, 2009 at 3:47 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Giff - February 2, 2009 at 8:31 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by chatpilot - February 2, 2009 at 2:45 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by downbeatplumb - February 2, 2009 at 3:51 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by chatpilot - February 3, 2009 at 1:29 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Giff - February 9, 2009 at 12:45 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by chatpilot - February 9, 2009 at 1:51 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by chatpilot - February 16, 2009 at 6:37 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by DD_8630 - February 17, 2009 at 8:06 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Edwardo Piet - February 17, 2009 at 12:56 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by DD_8630 - February 17, 2009 at 3:08 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Edwardo Piet - February 17, 2009 at 5:21 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by DD_8630 - February 17, 2009 at 8:56 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Edwardo Piet - February 18, 2009 at 7:03 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Kyuuketsuki - February 18, 2009 at 7:37 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by DD_8630 - February 18, 2009 at 9:11 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Edwardo Piet - February 18, 2009 at 7:50 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Edwardo Piet - February 18, 2009 at 12:23 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by DD_8630 - February 18, 2009 at 8:32 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by chatpilot - February 18, 2009 at 12:24 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Rockthatpiano06 - February 18, 2009 at 1:43 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Edwardo Piet - February 18, 2009 at 3:13 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Edwardo Piet - February 18, 2009 at 10:36 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Kyuuketsuki - February 19, 2009 at 4:26 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by DD_8630 - February 19, 2009 at 8:57 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Bungy - February 19, 2009 at 8:24 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Kyuuketsuki - February 19, 2009 at 8:51 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Edwardo Piet - February 19, 2009 at 9:51 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by chatpilot - February 20, 2009 at 4:14 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Edwardo Piet - February 20, 2009 at 5:42 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by chatpilot - February 21, 2009 at 11:51 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by DD_8630 - February 21, 2009 at 6:44 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Edwardo Piet - February 21, 2009 at 1:20 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Edwardo Piet - February 22, 2009 at 1:25 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by chatpilot - February 23, 2009 at 1:41 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Edwardo Piet - February 24, 2009 at 11:43 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by chatpilot - February 25, 2009 at 8:43 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Edwardo Piet - February 26, 2009 at 9:10 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by chatpilot - February 27, 2009 at 3:57 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Edwardo Piet - February 28, 2009 at 7:06 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by chatpilot - February 28, 2009 at 12:40 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Edwardo Piet - February 28, 2009 at 12:45 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by chatpilot - February 28, 2009 at 12:54 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Edwardo Piet - February 28, 2009 at 1:24 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by chatpilot - March 6, 2009 at 4:08 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Kyuuketsuki - March 10, 2009 at 5:20 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Edwardo Piet - March 6, 2009 at 4:14 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Tiberius - March 6, 2009 at 8:39 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Edwardo Piet - March 6, 2009 at 8:40 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by chatpilot - March 9, 2009 at 11:56 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Mark - March 9, 2009 at 12:59 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Edwardo Piet - March 10, 2009 at 7:29 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by chatpilot - March 10, 2009 at 11:03 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Mark - March 10, 2009 at 1:38 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by chatpilot - March 11, 2009 at 9:56 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Kyuuketsuki - March 11, 2009 at 10:01 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Mark - March 11, 2009 at 2:03 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Kyuuketsuki - March 11, 2009 at 6:08 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Mark - March 12, 2009 at 8:40 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Kyuuketsuki - March 12, 2009 at 9:33 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Mark - March 12, 2009 at 12:51 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Kyuuketsuki - March 12, 2009 at 4:50 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Mark - March 13, 2009 at 9:26 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Giff - March 12, 2009 at 9:33 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Mark - March 12, 2009 at 10:31 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Edwardo Piet - March 11, 2009 at 11:31 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by chatpilot - March 12, 2009 at 10:13 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Kyuuketsuki - March 12, 2009 at 10:35 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Giff - March 13, 2009 at 9:18 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Mark - March 13, 2009 at 11:48 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Mark - March 12, 2009 at 10:39 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Kyuuketsuki - March 12, 2009 at 11:17 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Mark - March 12, 2009 at 11:19 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Kyuuketsuki - March 12, 2009 at 11:42 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by chatpilot - March 13, 2009 at 11:08 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by josef rosenkranz - March 13, 2009 at 3:20 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Kyuuketsuki - March 13, 2009 at 7:37 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Mark - March 16, 2009 at 1:53 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Kyuuketsuki - March 17, 2009 at 4:29 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Mark - March 17, 2009 at 10:53 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Kyuuketsuki - March 17, 2009 at 11:10 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Mark - March 17, 2009 at 11:44 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Kyuuketsuki - March 17, 2009 at 6:33 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by chatpilot - March 14, 2009 at 10:47 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by josef rosenkranz - March 14, 2009 at 2:55 pm
RE: Existence of Jesus - by chatpilot - March 16, 2009 at 10:27 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by chatpilot - March 17, 2009 at 9:59 am
RE: Existence of Jesus - by Wacko's chimp - March 17, 2009 at 6:39 pm

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