(January 29, 2016 at 11:03 am)Ivan Denisovich Wrote:(January 29, 2016 at 10:02 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Another thing is, why would people who are strong atheists be having dream like visions of God and Jesus in their heads when they are unconscious?
Why not? People can't control what they're dreaming about if I'm not mistaken.
(January 29, 2016 at 10:02 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: And furthermore, why would they have dreams of God and Jesus being goodness and love?
Again, why not? Dream is not reality.
(January 29, 2016 at 10:02 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: It seems that first of all, most atheists think that if God and Jesus do exist, they are evil anyway. Or at least uncaring.
I neither know nor I particularly care about what other atheists think about god but for me biblical depiction of god just scream evil. Jesus also isn't a best guy that was written about.
Yes, it is a possibility but just seems unlikely that atheists would "dream up" visions of a good and loving God whom they want to be with, when they normally tend to feel hostility towards the idea of God and think He would be evil/uncaring if He did exist. It just adds to the weirdness of the whole thing I think. I certainly couldn't imagine it from any of you.
(January 29, 2016 at 11:03 am)Ivan Denisovich Wrote:(January 29, 2016 at 10:02 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Obviously, something happened to these people that made them change overnight in such a drastic way, from becoming atheists who hate religion to becoming Christians. That's huge, almost supernatural in itself. Can a mere "dream" do that? Could it do that to you?
Why obviously? Why it could not be simple lie? Or means for making profit? I was an atheist and now I'm believer, all thanks to NDE and power of Jesus love. Want to know more? Buy my book.
(January 29, 2016 at 10:02 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Now, I'm not saying I believe all this. I have no dog in this fight. My faith does not rely on strangers' personal experiences, and some parts of this story kind of contradict my own beliefs. All I'm saying is the possibilities may be worth an objective look and some consideration. Because it is very strange indeed.
I see nothing really strange in it. Hallucination or scam.
I still find it very unlikely that they'd all be straight up lying. Just knowing you guys here and how hostile you are towards religions and the idea of God, I would think it was very strange for any of you to turn your backs on that for the sake of writing a book and hopefully making money.
And even stranger still what this guy did. Not only did he write books about it (he could have just done that and stopped there), but he went as far as to quit his job and go to seminary school, become a pastor, and dedicate his life to Christianity. Could a strong atheist put on this whole charade??
Honestly I'd believe it was a somehow extremely convincing hallucination before I believed it was all a lie.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
-walsh