(January 29, 2016 at 11:29 am)Ivan Denisovich Wrote:(January 29, 2016 at 11:19 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Yes, it is a possibility but just seems unlikely that atheists would "dream up" visions of a good and loving God whom they want to be with, when they normally tend to feel hostility towards the idea of God and think He would be evil/uncaring if He did exist. It just adds to the weirdness of the whole thing I think. I certainly couldn't imagine it from any of you.
Why it seems unlikely? One could have weirdest dreams. Also one should ask if he really had such dream.
Then on that we would just have to agree to disagree. It would be like me having a dream that Zeus was the true God or that the Devil was good or something lol. Possible? Yes. Likely? Not at all.
(January 29, 2016 at 11:29 am)Ivan Denisovich Wrote:(January 29, 2016 at 11:19 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I still find it very unlikely that they'd all be straight up lying. Just knowing you guys here and how hostile you are towards religions and the idea of God, I would think it was very strange for any of you to turn your backs on that for the sake of writing a book and hopefully making money.
I see nothing unlikely in it. People lie and not always for reason which made sense for others. Possibility of profit could be big incentive to certain kind of people.
(January 29, 2016 at 11:19 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: And even stranger still what this guy did. Not only did he write books about it (he could have just done that and stopped there), but he went as far as to quit his job and go to seminary school, become a pastor, and dedicate his life to Christianity. Could a strong atheist put on this whole charade??
Honestly I'd believe it was a somehow extremely convincing hallucination before I believed it was all a lie.
He was atheist or he only claim he was? And if he was then it does not mean that he is good guy incapable of lying.
Brain damage also is a possibility considering his alleged NDE.
Someone who is a staunch atheist all of a sudden quits his job, goes to seminary school, becomes a pastor, and dedicates his life to Christianity, all while still being an atheist inside? You don't find that extremely unlikely? Or strange at all? I guess we disagree on that as well, my friend.
Of course, there is the possibility that he *wasn't* an atheist. But if he was, then yes, very very strange.
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