(January 31, 2016 at 1:28 pm)Jehanne Wrote: In his 2014 debate with Sean Carroll, Craig states the following:
Quote:Dr. Carroll does hold out hope that quantum cosmology might serve to restore the past eternality of the universe; but I would say that not only is there no evidence for such a hope, but I would agree with Vilenkin that if there is a quantum gravity regime prior to the Planck Time, then that just is the beginning of the universe. Dr. Carroll says you can have quantum descriptions of the universe that are eternal, and that is certainly true, but the question is: why would the universe transition to classical spacetime just 13 billion years ago? It could not have existed from infinity past in an unstable quantum state and then just 13 billion years ago transition to classical spacetime. It would have done it from eternity past, if at all.
http://www.reasonablefaith.org/god-and-c...z3yq6jszTm
What can't the same observation be made about the supposed Incarnation? If god existed from "eternity past", as Craig claims, why didn't the Incarnation occur in "eternity past," also? It seems like special pleading to suggest otherwise.
Hi Jehanne,
I'm an atheist and new here so I hope you don't mind me chipping in.
If you're going to critique Craig amongst those who accept his arguments (but not all believers do mind you and some of them who do, don't understand the logical implications of Craig's own position) then you need to bear in mind that Craig doesn't believe that God has existed from "eternity past". In this context a "past eternity" is the same as a temporal, infinite regress of time and Craig strenuously argues (unsuccessfully, I think) that such a thing is impossible. Rather, he holds that God is timelessly without beginning and that when God creates, he becomes temporal with the universe. At that point, time starts to pass for God too. But because God is timeless without the universe, there is no "waiting around" for God to do.
