RE: Did Jesus exist?
February 4, 2016 at 10:14 am
(This post was last modified: February 4, 2016 at 10:33 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(February 4, 2016 at 2:16 am)Irrational Wrote:(February 3, 2016 at 10:28 am)Rhythm Wrote: Now...wait a minute......what about "It really happened".......?
"Really" is too confident. "Likely" is a more pleasing word to my ears ... or eyes ...
You don't have a valid means of inference for either "really" or "likely" (and I still haven't seen any math....).......that's been the problem from the word go, and it's the only thing that you haven't addressed...despite spending plenty of time addressing irrelevancies. All that you've suggested is that I loosen my standards and allow you to call an invalid inference "historical jesus".
What we have is a story, derided in it's own time as a superstition of the remarkably credulous, and subsequently discovered to be nothing less or more. There may be a man in there somewhere - or even many-, under all of that, but neither you nor anyone else has -ever- figured out a way to determine who or what that man was, they've simply coalesced around what they see as the least controversial set of claims they could make about a potential man. "Historical jesus" is a placeholder for nothing, no man, or anyman. Unless one of you HJers finds a way to make it otherwise, there's no difference in what you're doing than in discussing the "historicity" of a "possible personage" upon whom the character of darth vader was formed. Triumphantly declaring him "Historical Anakin".
Let me suggest that this, just like arguing the position by invalid inferences, falls well below the standards of history.
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