RE: A good reason not to believe in God
February 24, 2011 at 6:25 pm
(This post was last modified: February 24, 2011 at 6:40 pm by reverendjeremiah.)
(February 21, 2011 at 4:06 pm)DoubtVsFaith Wrote: What kind of existence does an atemporal God have considering that he can never exist? (there is not a time that he can ever exist because he is atemporal) Something either existed, exists or will exist (or a combination of the three), and since something atemporal can't do that, how can something atemporal be said to exist?
It has NO existence other than in fiction and the imagination of those who imagine it. You have to be within the folds of time to exist. In order to be inside of time you must have at least ONE of the 3 other dimensions (height, width, length - time being the fourth dimension). What many theists consider to be PROFOUND is merely a description of nothingness. for example: "God has infinite power." Well, I am well versed in power as a profession, and to say "infinite power" is the EXACT same thing as saying "no power". Infinity = 0 Zero.
(February 23, 2011 at 3:10 am)Ryft Wrote: Only if you are new here. (And I think you are. Greetings, and welcome to the forums.) Thanks for catching my sloppy language. I will do better at maintaining precision in the future, so other newcomers won't mistake my meaning as I allowed you to here. I am well known here for arguing only the God of biblical Christianity; I never waste my time arguing beliefs I don't hold. So to be precise what I should have said was that his "argument ignores at least one omniscient deity—the God of biblical Christianity." That would have obviated your response, as Gnostic Christianity is not biblical (an exegetical point between myself and them).
That is EXACTLY what I meant. Not any other religion, but saying "The Christian god" alone is not good enough. How about the Gnostic Christians? they thought the old testament god was a malevolent, imperfect being. Is that the Christian god you were speaking of? Not all Christians believe in the trinity, or that Jesus is god or even a divine being, and they are still Christian. Me personally, I do not consider Elohim to be the same as Yahweh or Jehovah. I also consider Yahweh and Jehovah to also be seperate. Elohim is plural, which means those three names right there alone constitutes 3 or more deities that the Hebrews worshipped. The New testament is NOT clear on which specific Hebrew Tribal god they were refering to as "God". Even when I was a believing Christian I noticed different names for Gods in the old testament, varying from book to book. I do not, now, buy into the idea that "they are all different names for the same god" and then claim monotheism. If that is true, then the Greeks and Roman Pagans were not polytheistic at all. They were merely worshipping different names for the same god. I dont expect you to admit this. So you have several different named deities in the old testament , and occasional references to god speaking of himself as "us", and "we" pointing to good proof that some of the Hebrews were polytheistic, or at least in the sense that they believed in more than one god and considered all of them as "god". Example:
Then God (singular) said, ‘Let us (plural) make people who are images of us. Let them be similar to us. Let them rule over the fish of the sea. Let them rule over the birds of the air. Let them rule over the animals. Let them rule over the whole earth. Let them rule over every crawling animal that crawls on the earth.’
Then you have the trinity..honestly..if this is what monotheism is supposed to be, then what is polytheism?