(February 25, 2011 at 11:17 am)DoubtVsFaith Wrote:(February 23, 2011 at 3:10 am)Ryft Wrote: There is a time that God exists—namely, at every single moment of time (omnipresent).
How is God atemporal if there is a "time" that he exists? Wouldn't that make him temporal?
Unless you are saying he is both temporal and atemporal?
Quote:If what you mean is temporal succession, then no they don't imply that. Saying that God is before and after does not imply temporality in that sense (whereas saying that God is before then after would).
The terms "before" and "after" make no sense without temporality. How can you say something exists in atemporal form "before" or "after" anything? If it exists before or after anything then that implies a temporal existence.
Nothing can exist atemporally in fact, since that would mean that something can exist without ever existing, which is a contradiction. Something either existed, exists or will exist or a combination of the three. To say something exists without ever having existed before, existing now or going to exist makes no sense. Nothing can exist before or after time because the terms "before" and "after" imply time. Existence requires time because existence equates to existing which is a temporal process.
Absolutely. If this god exists outside of time as its creator then it is a frozen immutable god, incapable of dynamic processes and therefore not a creator at all (nor as you say a being). If it is caught up inside time, then it cannot be the creator of time, the universe etc . If omnipresence explains this gods timelessness, then it would imply that it is everywhere at once and thus also caught up in the material world, and not immaterial as claimed. The truth is there are no anologies for any such being and it is boot-strapped into existence by the imagination of those who for some reason want to believe. Just one reason why there probably is no god.
"I still say a church steeple with a lightning rod on top shows a lack of confidence"...Doug McLeod.
